NESA Species Hunt 2013

[Thunderpants]

Greater Sandeel

Table Updated.
Nice turbot Geordie UK.




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[Aqua-holic]

Shore rockling

 

[finding nemo]

Bass used to be very rare this far north, now they are relatively common. Smoothhound are starting to show off the NE coast although still very rare. As for Shore Rockling distribution, these guys are pretty much regarded as the guru's for fish identification and habitat Gaidropsarus mediterraneus, Shore rockling : fisheries

Their distribution map for Shore Rockling clearly shows they are very common in the north sea and off the Norwegian coast and whilst less common can definitely be found in numbers off the NE coast: Computer Generated Distribution Map

This post seems to of been over looked.

I camt believe the other sites claims of shore rockling distribution to be so localized to such small areas

 

[Thunderpants]

No not overlooked mate I am aware of that one. Hopefully some good will come of this discussion as if we get a lot of definitive photos of shore rocklings from our area I will write to Marlin with the photos and maybe they will update their chart. It would help if people could say where they caught them so I have all the necessary info to do that.

Table updated.

 

[finding nemo]

I love fishing and everything related to it.

Im obsessed with learning everything i can and as much as some people think im argumentative or at least some posts were took that way my only goal in this full debate was to learn, and for it to be correct for everyones sake

It can only be a good thing. Even if it takes us all year for it to be clear in all our minds.

Contacting them would be a good idea as clearly there is conflicting evidence which has only confused our situation. You would expect all sites like those to be correct.

who would of thought these little critters which in truth are allmost always unwanted catches would open such a big debate.
personally ive enjoyed it.

 

[Aqua-holic]

Common eel

 

[Thunderpants]

I've just had a poke around on the interent and it turns out that Marlin gets its information from the National Biodiversity Network. They have a website here and you can put a species in the search box and it will give you a map National Biodiversity Network Gateway.

Any of us on here can enter species records and it is done through the Marine Biological Association with this link Record your sightings | Marine Biological Association of the UK They will verify and validate the submissions before using them which means they will CONFIRM THE SPECIES for us So, no need for me to write to them with a bunch of photos just log on youself at the MBA website and fill in the form, send them a photo and one of their marine biologists should read it and add it to the national database if confirmed. Of course if you do this please post back on here so we know the result.

 

[lobsterwells]

LS sea scorpion

Greater sand eel

weeverfish

 

[Thunderpants]

Mackerel

Table Updated.

 

[Geordie-UK]

Plaice

Greater Spotted Dogfish (Huss)

Poor Cod

Butterfish

Almost had a smoothhound to go on as well....but it hadn't taken the hook...but took this instead...and chucked it up as soon as it came topside

barsteward

 

[Thunderpants]

Hard lines on the hound mate. That's a lesser spotted dogfish not a huss. Good fishing there well done. You are now top of the league !

 

[Geordie-UK]

Nope, its a huss, lesser spotted doggies have a much more pointed nose, more like a shark, the huss nose is more blocky, and the lower lid on the eyes are thicker on a huss, a huss's belly is also creamier clolour than a lesser, thats why I took that shot as I could not get the damn thing to settle in my hand, it was constantly flicking over or writhing to get a decent shot, so settled for nose, eyes and belly(ish) shot
There is a good shot at another forum of the nose shapes.

lsd and huss- World Sea Fishing Forums | Sea Angling and Sea Fishing Online | Fishing Reports

I know the best shot is of the nasal flaps, but there is more than enough in the pic to show it as a huss.

 

[finding nemo]

i cought this last week, assumed it was lsd so didnt take any other pics what is your opinion on it, obviously i couldnt enter it in the hunt but be nice to know ive had a huss if indeed it is one

 

[toonboymc]

looks like a dogfish to me m8

 

[finding nemo]

They both look like doggys to me aswell

When we fished etive early in the year i had a doggy over 2lb that had a big box shaped head and all feedback was that it was lsd and not huss
To be fair as with the rocking saga to enter a huss i think the shot of nasal flaps must be included as that seems to be the only clear defining feature

here we go again lol

 

[Geordie-UK]

Well I'm not going to start another debate on a species, just didn't really want to go out and get another huss for a clear nasal flap pic as I would not have a lesser spotted doggie, but got one called as one... its for my own gratification that I would have the correct species listed, so I guess the only thing I can do is go out and catch both, which is no hardship really, its just I go out and target a specific species when I go fishing, my next trip out was for rays and smoothound, so I guess its back to doggies next trip.

Nemo, your pic doesn't show the eyes, the lower lid on a huss is very thick, spots have been found to be both small and large, black and white on all UK doggies, so they are not guaranteed to be a good ID, yours has a mix of small and large, it does however, have a saddleback, and a stubby snout, so I'm erring towards a huss.

But as a point for everyone, they are now called Catsharks, although dogshark would have been better

 

[finding nemo]

At the end of the day you are possitive of what it is.

this hunt means nothing to your own peace of mind.

i could only indentify using nasal photos but like you have pointed out there is other ways.

colouration clearly means nowt.

well done on the huss ill get one next couple of weeks i hope

 

[Thunderpants]

Colouration does matter mate. That's where the names come from. The Greater Spotted Dogfish (Huss) has greater (bigger) spots and the Lesser Spotted Dogfish has lesser (small) spots. Have a look at this picture from the LRSAC website you can clearly see the difference. The GSD is on the top and the LSD is on the bottom. Both the fish posted in the hunt have the smaller lesser spots of an LSD.

 

[Pete from shields]

Both pics are lesser doggies, a few for me for the species for me Mike please, blenny and wrasse.

 

[toonboymc]

A grey gurnard for mad rob