techno talk

But you can have techno overload!!! remember watching Mr keith x cast whites otg footage and the first person he mentions is peter thain and how he drummed the basics!! into him when he first started to cast :o dunno if he mentioned to him to get a stick and a bit bungee cord on and try casting fiestas lol but thats a different story :D..now I don't know many casters better than peter and I know how much practicing he used to do ..along with hugh down cambois and when he was giving me advice he never once mentioned you must get your reel spinning at 30krpm or your waisting your time.
When I see or hear of the big casters using devices to measure rpm's then I will take note but till then I will struggle on on the field and enjoy it!!!
 
well said supermod. i,ve never been a "big hitter" but i well remember turning up at casting, with a tackle box the size of a coffin, with enough tech-kit to stock a small tackle shop. a smock festooned in badges, supersonic tech-oil and much more. then stand listening to tech - talk that went over my head.
then the penny dropped. the people that were the better casters including p.t were not technocraps, they just "did it".
some of the best tech-advice i ever had was ---hit the fecker -- get it slammed,-- goooo-on [garry ramsden] and the best ever, -- that rod you use should have been a three piece, --- it would fit into a dust-bin easier.
now thats tech talk :eek::eek::rolleyes:;);)
 
:Di your right there bill all your rods should have been in the bin :o:o
i think the biggest problem now is thev'e got there heads full of this techno babble [baffle,waffle ] that when they get on the oche there thinking about the cast to much and forgetting the basics :(:(, swing it out pull it back and get it smashed its as simple as that :confused::confused: all this techno babble should stay where it belongs in books not casters heads.just do what comes natural.:cool::cool::cool:
 
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Led said:
Chris - Are you casting better ??
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Yes, for a while I struggled to get an official cast passed 200yds but three tournaments ago I hit my CME passed 214 yards. On the last two outings, I have been playing with a Dymic LT13 which I picked up for a song (of interest here to fellow fixed spool users, the Dymic LT is the rod that Mr TC of Zziplex recommended to me last year while every body else pointed me at the Zziplex XTR or Century CME), I'm pushing that passed 200 but I'm still getting used to it and trying to fine tune the ring spacing to avoid ring wrap on the top ring. Needless to say I am still suffering from OTTitis which is the most frustrating aspect of casting - I propose that tournaments are reconfigured to include practical and theoretical competition, then I might stand a chance of moving up the board. This year my work location has also meant that I have not been able to participate in the Thursday night practice sessions at Kirkleatham, there is no doubt that the more practice you get the better chance you have of ironing out the wrinkles.
 
Chris - well done.

Bill - the best motivator that I've ever heard was "'Does your husband cast !!" :o

It certainly gets the adrenalin pumping for the next chuck.

If the sinker isn't in the right place it ain't going anywhere - period.
 
Practice makes perfect!!! you can have all the feckin rpms in the world but if its not goin in the right direction your not acheivin owt!!
 
If you want to cast a long way then sitting in front of a P.C. isn't the way to do it. All this technology is great but until they come up with a chip that implants muscular memory, timing and the way a good cast feels there is only one way to cast further......GET OUT THERE AND DO IT!

I already know exactly how a reel behaves during the cast [calcutta dc, calais dc & trinidad dc development]. As long as your spool is A/ balanced, B/ running on decent bearings & C/ has adequate braking to control the spool then the vast majority of casters would be better putting the time in improving their technique.

Being around as long as I have been in casting, 20 years when i quit surfcasting, I've already been through all of this stuff and no amount of reel tuning, modification or any magic rod replaces a good technique.

Oh and while I'm going off on one, you know what the best thing about casting is? There is always room for improvement and all it costs to gain distance is time spent working on your cast. Everyone can be beaten, even Danny, and all it takes someone with enough dedication and belief in themselves to do it.

Chris watch the top video on this page just to refresh your memory mate

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Technique will get you further than any amount of technology.
 
fishfinder said:
But you can have techno overload!!!
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For me there is an overload of "gratuitous backslapping" and "ego massaging" on all the fishing/casting forums that I visit. There is hardly a report on anything which doesn't get a dozen or more "well dones" at which point (metaphorically) I stick my fingers down my gullet and puke my guts up. But I have a choice, which is read them or don't read them, no prizes for guessing which one I do. I suggest that the more thechnophobic amongst us avoid reading technobabble posts.

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now I don't know many casters better than peter and I know how much practicing he used to do ..along with hugh down cambois and when he was giving me advice he never once mentioned you must get your reel spinning at 30krpm or your waisting your time.
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Peter may not have mentioned you must get your reel spinning at 30krpm or your wasting your time. But I bet he said "hit it hard" or word of a similar nature, He is on record at the top of this topic in saying that he believes the top casters are reaching speeds of 30000 rpm.

There is a cause and effect phenomenon to casting, Q. What causes a lead to go far ? - A. Extreme force or lead speed both come down to the same thing. Q What is the effect of this extreme power? - A, Your lead will fly a long way and the spool of your reel (if using a multiplier) will turn at many thousands of rpm.

I will go further than Peter and say if you want to join the 300 club you will need to hit your lead so hard that at the point of release it is travelling in excess of 52 m/s and if your using an ABU 6500 or 5500 or similar, set up for that distance (i.e. enough line on the reel) then the spool speed will be in excess of 30000 rpm. That's not technobabble but the laws of the universe, and neither you or I can do anything about that.
 
Everyone typing around the same time :D

The only way you will successfully cure ring wrap Chris is to stop chopping it over the top. The reason you're chopping it over the top is you're hitting it too soon and the rod is too long for you.
 
Led said:
Chris - well done.

Bill - the best motivator that I've ever heard was "'Does your husband cast !!" :o

It certainly gets the adrenalin pumping for the next chuck.

If the sinker isn't in the right place it ain't going anywhere - period.
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led the best ive had thrown at me was from baz,-- who,s pants were them before you got em.
baz, -m4--m4-- m4 :rolleyes::rolleyes:;)
p.t its a right feckin madhouse on here, innit great?
 
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Peter T said:
The only way you will successfully cure ring wrap Chris is to stop chopping it over the top. The reason you're chopping it over the top is you're hitting it too soon and the rod is too long for you.
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Peter, at present, I have the CME and Dymic LT13 set up with the reel at about 12'6" from the tip. Do you suggest I move it up an inch or so at a time until it comes round the corner? What do I do as far as the drop length is concerned as I move the reel up ? At present my drop is at the same position as my upper hand.

I've seen the video of you casting on your knees before, but it's not downloading for me at the moment. I will never forget the time at NWSA when you took my 25 year old Conoflex DC6 and cast it whilst on your knees. From the line level drop, that cast went at least 180 yards and you weren't even trying.
 
CAN YOU IMAGINE someone thinking of coming into casting reading all that waffle :confused::confused: about rpm sinker speed, i know what i would be thinking:o:o forget that mate.:(:( im sure half the time people make rods for there own backs,like peter says its no good sitting at a desk working out mathematical problems you have to get out and do it. i know to some it comes natural for others its hard work but weve all been there.no amount of philosophising will help its down to practice and developing a good technique then the rest will come [unfortunately not for me ] but i do keep trying which is what its all about and please dont forget to have fun:D:D when your enjoying it it's half the battle believe me, ask the lads i was even doing an irish jig when i tried the baby leads and thats what it's all about.
one more thing before i go.
LETS ALL BE SAFE OUT THERE :cool::cool::cool:
 
I am fortunate in that I have a virtual clutch and gearbox on my brain so I can switch it into neutral when at the ochy. It's a shame I can't put my body in gear but having eyesight considerably less than 20/20 it's more important that I am pointing in the right direction.

But if the technobabble has a "sledging" effect on the competition, then from where I am standing, anything that adversely effects the competition's performance without tying their arms behind their backs is fair gamesmanship :D
 
Everyone should be playing around with the length of the rod because everyone has an optimum effective rod length [how long the rod is when its bent to its shortest as you hit the rod]. The trick is, to find what yours is so you can get the maximum benefit from the power in the rod and also move it a the maximum speed your own body is capable of.

Choose one rod and stay with it, move the reel around until you find the balance between easy to hit and good distances. most peoples effective rod length is between.........ah but that would be telling :p if anyone wants to know send me a pm that way someone else can't re use the info on another site :D

Personally I would pull your whole cast apart Chris, use some of that amazing brain you have and rebuild something more effective. Heres an example for you to be going on with, watch what you do with your right arm. You bend it right up, put it almost behind your head then use that arm almost exclusively to power up the cast.

Firstly you can't apply any real power with your arm in that position, your hand needs to be in front of your shoulder. e.g. pushing a car.

Secondly, using your right arm to push rather than your left to pull around your right is mechanically inefficient. [Look at leverage and levers]

Thirdly, moving the rod and lead through the biggest arc usually produces the biggest cast. This is where it gets really technical so if your'e squeamish stop reading here..... The quickest way of increasing the size of the arc is to straighten your arms, your arms are twice as long straight as they are bent :eek::o

Expect to see one or more parts of this text or a remake at a website near you soon, remember where it came from folks :cool:
 
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Thanks Peter, the weak left and collapsing right arm is something that I have been aware of and trying to cure, and like you say and as in (probably) all throwing sports getting the arms away from the body is very important to increasing the leverage. But knowing what to do and then doing it right, is the most difficult thing to achieve and is most frustrating. But perhaps on day, with my tenacity to carry on, I might surprise the lot of you.

As for the rod, I'm liking the Dymic LT13, my first cast with it was beyond the 200 mark albeit out of court and there is something about it that feels different to the CME, but I can't put my finger on it. Being quite an old blank it may have softened up a little, I will stick with it as my main casting rod for now.

PM is on it's way for rod length advice.
 
peter, as to keeping the right arm as straight as poss, at sum stage of the build up to the powerstroke the right arm does have to bend slightly to punch- pull. Using the flat swing tends to catch me out keeping the right arm straight for too long , i guess centrifugal force takes over as the sinker is tear ass-ing thru the arc.
 
forget about punching will, pulling is much better and you will still push through with your top hand anyway. got to go to work now and won't be around until tomorrow evening but i'll try and upload a video that shows you what i do, maybe you can improve on it when you see what i'm doing?
 
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