smoking debate

yes understood..... ;)
we all have rights..and the smoking ban is enforcing the non smokers right to a smoke free enivronment and enforcing a childs right to a smoke free enivronment is this not a good thing??

the benefits far outway the inconvenience of a smoker
unfortunately not every smoker is as considerate as you...gag1

i dont agree with the amount of control the gov has, i agree there are more important issues for them to deal with ....
although reduce the amount of smokers and u reduce the amount of money spent on looking after people with smoking related diseases..........
as usual its all about money. where to get it and where not to spend it!!!

being a mother of 2 and having someone smoke around my children sickens me...........a child shouldnt smell of smoke..IMHO

these days smokers are the minority and as always majority rules
except on fox hunting
mands
 
for every £100 it cost to treat a smoker on the NHS, a moker will have put in £350 in revenue. We are subsidising the health service

dying on your deathbed etc....

probably the same way as I would tell my daughter that there was this drunk driver that mowed me down because there are no restrictions on how much alcohol people are allowed to buy,

probably whilst the guy in the next bed tells his daughter that he is dying of coronary heart disease because he spent his life eating crap ready meals, taking no excercise, and binging on high fat high salt high sugar snacks

but the guy in the next bedd who is getting no expense spared treatment on the nhs has contributed nothing in revenue from his unhealthy lifestyle,

won\'t be long before deaths from these lifestyle choices far ourwiegh smoking related deaths - in scotland they already do. What do you propose then?? Ban fast food?? Ban snack foods and ready meals, or better still add a 70%tax to the price.

I know a lot of people who are equally vehement about having smokers around children and I could not agree more, yet these people are happy to see their children sit in front of a playstation several hours a day, eating rubbish - that, IMHO is a bigger timebomb than smoking.

as for the advertising, funny that they don\'t show us adverts of fatty arteries caused by obesity, livers looking like sponge from alcohol abuse, kidney like walnuts from the same thing, non-functioning pancreas\' frome excessive sugar etc etc etc etc.

A close friend works in cardio-thoracic theatre. She smokes. She sees far worse fatty arteries in non smokers than smokers

I might smoke, but I am a hell of a lot healthier than a large number of people I know - children and adults.
 
won\'t be long before deaths from these lifestyle choices far ourwiegh smoking related deaths - in scotland they already do. What do you propose then?? Ban fast food?? Ban snack foods and ready meals, or better still add a 70%tax to the price.
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no they will introduce the traffic light system
as for the advertising, funny that they don\'t show us adverts of fatty arteries caused by obesity, livers looking like sponge from alcohol abuse, kidney like walnuts from the same thing, non-functioning pancreas\' frome excessive sugar etc etc etc etc.
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they will soon


mands

i thought this thread was about banning smoking not every other ailment.......


ok just shoot me now :o
 
it was about smoking, but \"unhealthy lifestyle choices\" has crept in

so fatties will have to eat traffic lights then!
 
\"i thought this thread was about banning smoking not every other ailment.......\"

Just putting it in perspective, Mands ;)

Lol.....nobody wants to shoot you.......everybody is entitled to their opinion.

This next bit isn\'t directed at Mands.......just me thinkin\' out loud.....

At the risk of this becoming like the \"hunting with hounds\" topic.......gottta ask, What will be the next thing to be banned.......eating a Bigmac in public ?...........no drinking in pubs and clubs?........sitting still for too long in public places?........a weekly quota of miles you can drive in your car?
 
At the risk of this becoming like the \"hunting with hounds\" topic.......gottta ask, What will be the next thing to be banned.......eating a Bigmac in public ?...........no drinking in pubs and clubs?........sitting still for too long in public places?........a weekly quota of miles you can drive in your car?
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errr.. all of the above I\'d guess if he gets another term

the mileage quota isn\'t as daft as it sounds. THE DoT has already done a study to look at the possiblity that the annual mot can form a \'tax return\' of sorts so when you get your car mot\'d shortly afterwards you get a tax bill

on the healthy lifestyle question, why, if smoking is so bad for you, do the french who smoke far more than the brits live on average 10 years longer. The answer lies in their eating habits

so if the government enforced healthly eating more than persecuting smokers, they\'d get to keep the revenue from smokers and reduce the number of hospital beds needed
 
Ahhhh yes, the French lifestyle......... work less, smoke more, eat full fat cheeses and wash it down with copious amounts of wine......Le Atkins Diette......that\'ll do for me ;)
 
sitting still for too long in public places?.
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i think thats called loitering with intent in some areas lol

its like sleeping with someone who has aids without any protection sooner or later you will get aids....
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no disrespect but you can in no way compare smoking to aids ,passive smoking may be bad for people ,but the non smokers have a choice as to wether they stay in the same areas as smokers,why should the smoker always move along,i remember years ago when tv and billboards overflowed with smoking ads ,it was trendy blah blah,now its bad for you ,why becouse some egghead came along and said so,apples are good for you but the dentists now say the acid is bad for your teeth,nicotine kills you ,if this is the case why are all the cures nicotine based ???,the line has got to be drawn as to what a person is allowed and not allowed to do under his/her god given rights,thats the issue here not wether its bad for you or not

example ..if you had a number of fishing related accidents would this then make fishing bad for you and open to the people who would see it banned, a bit extreme ok but you see my point ,people have rights and no one should be allowed to come along and say hey you cant do that its bad for you ,if this was the case wed all be living in plastic bubbles and feeding through a tube :yltype:
 
one of the supressed reports from the american tobacco industry in 70\'s, when they first cottened on to the harmful effects, listed the addatives that go into cigarattes as being highly carginogenic.

basically stuff they stick in to stop manufactured tabs from going out once lit, cos they want to sell more.

roll yer own!
 
As far as I am concerned nothing mitigates the right of a smoker to smoke in a public place.

The reality is that less than 30% of the public smoke tobacco and yet that minority are allowed to inflict the unpleasant by-product of their habit on persons who do not wish to inhale their second hand smoke.

Smoking should be prohibited at any place where the public has access to, or where food is served. So smoking would only be allowed on private premises where the owner/proprietor allows it, that is private clubs but NOT public houses (pubs) and following on from the above it should be prohibited in the street.

In fact, I do not think the treasury has explored the limitations of the price elasticity of the demand for tobacco (or alcohol for that matter). I would certainly increase the duty on these products further to raise more revenue for the treasury and reduce the burden of income tax and NI. Also the costs of the retailer licenses for these products should be increased.

I would also legislate to make current illegal recreational drugs legal and raise additional revenue from licensing their manufacture/production and retailing and of course raise a duty on their sale.

Many years ago I used to be a very heavy chain smoker, that was at a time when the majority of the public smoked tobacco, I chose to stop smoking to improve my health and not because of any undue pressure from work colleagues, friends or relatives. Subsequently my father and his brother (my uncle) died prematurely due to lung cancer caused by smoking cigarettes.

I am not going to tell you smokers to pack it in, in fact I would like you all to smoke more (but only in designated enclosed areas when the legislation is in place) the additional revenue raised will ease my income tax and NI burden. On the same note please drink more alcohol as well.

An interesting observation here with smoking is that the addicted always seem to be in denial of the facts in front of them. It\'s like the alcoholic, drug addict or excessive gambler, they do not see the problem themselves and continue without regard for those who have to pick up the pieces afterwards. If you are a keen fisherman and want to continue your passion into old age, then stop smoking now cause if you don\'t, chronic bronchitis, emphysema, lung cancer, leg amputation etc will sure enough stop you fishing.
 
I am not going to tell you smokers to pack it in, in fact I would like you all to smoke more (but only in designated enclosed areas when the legislation is in place) the additional revenue raised will ease my income tax and NI burden. On the same note please drink more alcohol as well.
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glad to see youve put some thought for others into this lol

after reading all that i wonder isnt that why we got rid of hitler ?
i smoke becouse i have a right to smoke , the same rights i might add as a non smoker.. prohibited in the street ? ok well lets also ban cars as well ,im not gonna rant on here but youve got the same one sided view as your accusing smokers of having ergo the non smokers view,i dont smoke in restaraunts even if theres a smoking area ,same when im out ill ask do you mind ,in other words im considerate to others how many non smokers can say they have the same attitude towards smokers ,its not a crime its not a sin if someone doesnt like it they can always move to a smoke free zone as is there right to do so

typing stopped brain overload lost the thread back later :casstet: :casstet:


[Edited on 2/12/2004 by bribones]
 
Well put Bri. Agree with you 100%. Find it hard to comprehend that Chris would advocate banning smoking and yet make so-called soft drugs legal !!!!!!!!!!. In my line of work, we are trained to recognise if employees etc,etc, may possibly be under the influence of drugs and at one of our training sessions we were briefed by a member of the drug squad. This guy told us that he attended an incident where a guy was running along a well-known main street in the north east under the impression that he was being chased by a giant carrot !. the kid was off his head having smoked ONE joint of cannabis. Try telling the parents of those kids who have died after taking ONE ecstacy tablet that the drug should be legalised. Ill stick to ciggies Chris and stand by the comments I made to Mand in an earlier post,

cheers.
gag1
 
as has been said elsewhere in this thread, there\'s a lot of things athat are antisocial in public, so lets go the whole hog, ban drink as well, ban eating burgers in the street, all antisocial and offensive to some.

Then when thats done lets tackle the really offensive issues of social menance.... ginger people can go first, followed by people who chew gum and gob it out in the street, stupid trousers, old people that smell the list is endless!
 
what boils my pizz is seeing parents smoking in the car with a baby or toddler in the back
i could strangle them

poor kids eh
 
well they might as well ban it, not just newcastle but the whole country. they seem to want to ban everything this day an age. Think its just the do-gooders making a job for themselves.

forget about the foxes lets get the fags out hahahaahaah

my employer has decided to ban smoking from the whole of its premises as of next year, some of the folk who enter our premises you ask, can you please refrain from smoking they will kindly oblige by sticking it in your eye.........

next thing they will be telling us what time to gan to bed.....


hahaahahahaahahahahahah
 
ALL Council buildings have been \"no smoking\" areas for years.........with the exception of the \"Members Suite\".......That\'s the area of the Town Hall where Coucillors can go and relax before and after all the \"exhausting\" meetings they have to attend.
A tad annoying that employees have to clock out and go outside to have a smoke, whilst the \"employers\" can sit on nice leather Chesterfields, have a cuppa (or something stronger) and stay nice & warm whilst THEY have a fag.

It\'s not the \"clocking out\" bit that employees find offensive......until about a year ago, we had a \"smoking room\". Then, it was decided to close it.......because people were using it to go and have a cigarette in ????????
 
The problem is that a minority of smokers will adhere to some kind of code of respect for those who do not want to be breathing smoke and will refrain from smoking in restaurants etc. But totally non smoking restaurants and pubs are as rare as chicken teeth. So us fresh air junkies have no choice but to endure the smoke emitted by the inconsiderate majority of smokers. This is the whole thing of denial in smokers, the majority do not see the problem and the distress they cause others or couldn\'t care less.

I\'ll stand by the legalisation and licensing of recreational drugs. Nobody makes anybody take them it is the individuals choice. but by controlling them, their purity will be guaranteed (no cutting with Ajax etc.) and control taken out of the hands of the criminals that currently handle the market and production.

Quoting Brian:
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after reading all that i wonder isnt that why we got rid of hitler ?
i smoke becouse i have a right to smoke , the same rights i might add as a non smoker..
prohibited in the street ? ok well lets also ban cars as well ..................
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Brian, I think we got rid of Hitler for reasons other than smoking, although, he was a non smoker and detested tobacco smoke, he was also a vegetarian. Can anybody here honestly say that they are totally self reliant and do not rely on cars/vans/buses etc to get to the local shops for their groceries and cigarettes (if they indulge in the weed). Banning smoking in public enclose spaces is the thin end of the wedge, the final outcome will be no lit cigarettes in any public place.

Brian, don\'t take this to seriously, relax, chill out, have a cigarette, in fact buy a pack of 20, ..... kerrching that\'s another few quid in the treasury. :)
 

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