lol mark if anyone one asks to see my licence and there not a bailiff or a copper they will be told to f**k off
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lol mark if anyone one asks to see my licence and there not a bailiff or a copper they will be told to f**k off
Re asking for licence I presume you mean that as a licence holder you in law become a bailiff and have the right to ask to see another anglers licence as is with all current EA licence holders, the only problem currently with that is you can not do anything about it if they refuse or have no licence ,you do not have lawful authority or powers of a constable. So Common sense must come into play, you have to trust the person next to you has paid unless they are acting in an anti social manner. In that case I would say something or make the appropriate phone call depending on the situation as you would in any other public place, would you not?
NOSOLE
Active member
"License" eventualy you will be restricted were you can fish. Conservation groups are popping out the woodwork just waiting to grab various bits of coast line "Because it needs protecting". They are trying it on to get the solway in Cumbria a no go for any type of fishing.
The license money, no doubt will end up funding these "experts" who know best to drive 4x4s and buy expensive boats for research.
The license money, no doubt will end up funding these "experts" who know best to drive 4x4s and buy expensive boats for research.
Charlie_Thompson
Well-known member
I wrote to my local MP through the on-line thingmebob a while back about concerns over the licence and quotas. Can't remember her name but she represents part of washington, she wrote back personally and was extremely positive about the kind of arguments put forward here regarding conservation and the licence. I'm sure she mentioned taking concerns further - I mentioned a bit about income generated by anglers and jobs created but also said a bit about how famous this part of the country is/was for it's Cod fishing and a bit of blether about kids off the streets beautiful coastline etc.
It was so easy everyone just do it :yltype::yltype::yltype:
TheyWorkForYou.com: Are your MPs and Peers working for you in the UK's Parliament?
It was so easy everyone just do it :yltype::yltype::yltype:
TheyWorkForYou.com: Are your MPs and Peers working for you in the UK's Parliament?
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Vamp
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whats the diff if the person next to you got a licence or not if he or her hasnt it he or her who will be fined and gear conviscated not you as long as you have then your safe
got to be a brave or stupid man to go up to a group of people especially this day and age and ask to see there licence just cause you have one,some people wont buy one out of principle,and some wont buy cause they dont really care there the ones you gatta watch
i wont be interested if the man or woman next to me has one as long as i have,
ive had a coarse one for 9yr now and i still think thats a waste of my money as i have not seen any benifits,but i still have it so i dont get fined or loose my gear,as cant afford to replace
got to be a brave or stupid man to go up to a group of people especially this day and age and ask to see there licence just cause you have one,some people wont buy one out of principle,and some wont buy cause they dont really care there the ones you gatta watch
i wont be interested if the man or woman next to me has one as long as i have,
ive had a coarse one for 9yr now and i still think thats a waste of my money as i have not seen any benifits,but i still have it so i dont get fined or loose my gear,as cant afford to replace
davem2005
Well-known member
Thats certainly the next thing to do Charlie.
It takes about as much time as putting a post on here and is far more productive.
There are many organisations representing anglers sitting down to discuss things with defra and speaking to MP's. What was very clear from the meeting with defra is they are all against any kind of license scheme untill the anglers see some benefits.
The one thing that has united everyone is Defra's backtracking on the Bass MLS and then promising us improvements...all agreed that defra's promises can not be trusted.
The offer to come out and meet anglers and explain whats happening is the best they could come up with for now.
Its realistic to expect the introduction of a license in 2009, wether you choose to pay for it is another matter, I know which way I will be going when it comes in.
With regard to us catching more and bigger fish here in the NE its good news according to ICES with regard to cod stocks, potentially they could recover to a breeding stock of 150,000 tonnes by 2009 if the government follow their advice. From a current figure of 36-50,000 tonnes...that has to be good news...but someone has to stop the government pandering to the commercials who want to increase the quota now to wipe up this slowly increasing stock. The justification for the increase in quota is to REDUCE bycatch.
Of course it will reduce bycatch because there will be no cod left to catch accidentally. Back to square one.
The only way to stop this is to make MP's aware of how many of us there are and get their support because we vote for them.
One of the most up to date sites with very regular updates as to what is happening and how it can affect our sport is
Sea Anglers' Conservation Network
Cheers
Dave
It takes about as much time as putting a post on here and is far more productive.
There are many organisations representing anglers sitting down to discuss things with defra and speaking to MP's. What was very clear from the meeting with defra is they are all against any kind of license scheme untill the anglers see some benefits.
The one thing that has united everyone is Defra's backtracking on the Bass MLS and then promising us improvements...all agreed that defra's promises can not be trusted.
The offer to come out and meet anglers and explain whats happening is the best they could come up with for now.
Its realistic to expect the introduction of a license in 2009, wether you choose to pay for it is another matter, I know which way I will be going when it comes in.
With regard to us catching more and bigger fish here in the NE its good news according to ICES with regard to cod stocks, potentially they could recover to a breeding stock of 150,000 tonnes by 2009 if the government follow their advice. From a current figure of 36-50,000 tonnes...that has to be good news...but someone has to stop the government pandering to the commercials who want to increase the quota now to wipe up this slowly increasing stock. The justification for the increase in quota is to REDUCE bycatch.
Of course it will reduce bycatch because there will be no cod left to catch accidentally. Back to square one.
The only way to stop this is to make MP's aware of how many of us there are and get their support because we vote for them.
One of the most up to date sites with very regular updates as to what is happening and how it can affect our sport is
Sea Anglers' Conservation Network
Cheers
Dave
Martin Salter MP for Reading I belive, Part of his speech to chalange the U turn on Bass size limits, House of commons 22nd November 2007.
"There is an argument for a sea licence, although I absolutely agree with the National Federation of Sea Anglers that it could be implemented only if sea anglers see a significant improvement in the sport available to them."
"The decision that has been taken��"this extraordinary U-turn��"drives a coach and horses not only through the recreational sea angling strategy, but through any attempt that I or others could make to create a consensus on a sea rod licence.”
"There is an argument for a sea licence, although I absolutely agree with the National Federation of Sea Anglers that it could be implemented only if sea anglers see a significant improvement in the sport available to them."
"The decision that has been taken��"this extraordinary U-turn��"drives a coach and horses not only through the recreational sea angling strategy, but through any attempt that I or others could make to create a consensus on a sea rod licence.”
davem2005
Well-known member
Loopy that was certainly the impression I got.
I will see if I still have the link to the telivised debate, ( i think they take them offline after 14 days)if not the I will post the written debate.
Martin Salter is the labour angling representative and our best friend in government.
Although not a sea angler he spends many hours fighting our case and meeting sea anglers and putting their case forward..I have to say he does it very well. We need to get more mp's on our side fighting our case. Then maybe we will get our say.
Cheers
Dave
I will see if I still have the link to the telivised debate, ( i think they take them offline after 14 days)if not the I will post the written debate.
Martin Salter is the labour angling representative and our best friend in government.
Although not a sea angler he spends many hours fighting our case and meeting sea anglers and putting their case forward..I have to say he does it very well. We need to get more mp's on our side fighting our case. Then maybe we will get our say.
Cheers
Dave
Hedley
Well-known member
Lobby your local MP. He /she will be wanting your vote soon !!!!
As I have said before - this proposed "licence" will simply be A TAX which the Exchequer will take in and dispense on other things - that's how it works, folks!!!! Forget fish conservation etc - the fact that no formal benefits are being put forward by the Govt says it all. Do not be naieve - The Chancellor, no matter what his political persuasion, will happily take your money. (EG does all money paid for road tax go on the roads/transport infrastructure???? I rest my case!!)
Who will administer it? Who will police it? Penalties for non payment? An administrative nightmare for The Authorities.
From someone who knows - there is more than enough financial resources to tackle fishing stock preservation - just a lack of political muscle. Lobby your MP!!!
As I have said before - this proposed "licence" will simply be A TAX which the Exchequer will take in and dispense on other things - that's how it works, folks!!!! Forget fish conservation etc - the fact that no formal benefits are being put forward by the Govt says it all. Do not be naieve - The Chancellor, no matter what his political persuasion, will happily take your money. (EG does all money paid for road tax go on the roads/transport infrastructure???? I rest my case!!)
Who will administer it? Who will police it? Penalties for non payment? An administrative nightmare for The Authorities.
From someone who knows - there is more than enough financial resources to tackle fishing stock preservation - just a lack of political muscle. Lobby your MP!!!
davem2005
Well-known member
Well put hedley.
The whole issue is about stakeholders in our seas.
So what is a stakeholder...the simple answer is you who are reading this.
You catch fish (hopefully) and have done so for many years...that qualifies you as a stakeholder...with as much rights as the commercial netting your beach...aledgedly...but not in current policy.
Unfortunately for centuries the commercials have been the only "stakeholders" who the government have recognised for the simple reason they are the ones who spoke up ...we just took what we could of what was left.
So how can we change this...simple...
If every club committee member reading this emailed defra to say they want to be included as stakeholders in the future of our seas the club would recieve any future consultation documents issued by defra. The number of members of that club would be taken into account on any responses by that club and if they didn't happen to want to comment on any particular proposal affecting us it would still be taken into account as to actually how many of us there are!
This approach does not exclude individuals...you can do the same...ask defra to send you anything relating to what may affect our/your fshing rights...
Let the government know we exist and maybe then they will listen.
I will edit this tomorrow to include a defa link for those intrested enough to register as stakeholders.
Cheers
Dave
The whole issue is about stakeholders in our seas.
So what is a stakeholder...the simple answer is you who are reading this.
You catch fish (hopefully) and have done so for many years...that qualifies you as a stakeholder...with as much rights as the commercial netting your beach...aledgedly...but not in current policy.
Unfortunately for centuries the commercials have been the only "stakeholders" who the government have recognised for the simple reason they are the ones who spoke up ...we just took what we could of what was left.
So how can we change this...simple...
If every club committee member reading this emailed defra to say they want to be included as stakeholders in the future of our seas the club would recieve any future consultation documents issued by defra. The number of members of that club would be taken into account on any responses by that club and if they didn't happen to want to comment on any particular proposal affecting us it would still be taken into account as to actually how many of us there are!
This approach does not exclude individuals...you can do the same...ask defra to send you anything relating to what may affect our/your fshing rights...
Let the government know we exist and maybe then they will listen.
I will edit this tomorrow to include a defa link for those intrested enough to register as stakeholders.
Cheers
Dave
I have written to Mr Beith my local MP (Liberal Democrat) several weeks ago for his stand on the Marine Bill specifically with regard to giving this government the power to introduce a licence for recreational anglers. To date I have had no reply. Will post as and when.
I am going to a meeting of my local club tonight and I am sure we will take up your suggestion of becoming a stakeholder, a link would be great.
If we are going to have a licence let us try and influence its term's. Not sure how we are represented regionally by the NFSA and what communication with grass roots members has taken place, this is all new to me as I have only been up here six months and my background has been on the freshwater front having served on several committees and consultation groups and have first hand knowledge of European directives with regard coarse and game fishery action plans along with huge amount of bureaucracy that comes with the EA,
Perhaps reps from all north east clubs forming a pressure group , maybe it could be done electronically through this forum?
In unity you find strength.
Ignorance is dangerous but knowledge is lethal.
I am going to a meeting of my local club tonight and I am sure we will take up your suggestion of becoming a stakeholder, a link would be great.
If we are going to have a licence let us try and influence its term's. Not sure how we are represented regionally by the NFSA and what communication with grass roots members has taken place, this is all new to me as I have only been up here six months and my background has been on the freshwater front having served on several committees and consultation groups and have first hand knowledge of European directives with regard coarse and game fishery action plans along with huge amount of bureaucracy that comes with the EA,
Perhaps reps from all north east clubs forming a pressure group , maybe it could be done electronically through this forum?
In unity you find strength.
Ignorance is dangerous but knowledge is lethal.
Glenn Kilpatrick
Well-known member
davem2005
Well-known member
Recieved this from the SACN which attempts to explain what the consultation is all about and some advice as to how anglers should respond so that we get the best benefits from this consultation.
To all SACN members,
Today DEFRA have finally launched the public consultation on the strategy for the development and management of Recreational Sea Angling in England.
The draft strategy has been put together by a wide range of marine stakeholder interest organisations, including anglers, commercial fishermen, Sea Fisheries Committees, marine scientists, environmental NGOs and DEFRA officials.
Now everybody has the opportunity to criticise and contribute to the draft proposals.
Undoubtedly there will be issues which sea anglers need to be wary of, and some will question the ability of the Government to deliver the benefits which Sea Anglers expect, particularly in a 'consensus' environment where all stakeholders will be seeking to protect their own interests foremost.
But there are other issues, such as the management of some species for recreational purpose, aiming to ensure access to more and bigger fish, and the 'Golden Mile' which anglers will need to enthusiastically back.
And maybe individuals and organisations will want to see some other things included.
It is important that anglers don't just concentrate on the negatives, but also support those things which they see of benefit, and which could usefully be included, otherwise there is a possibility that DEFRA will assume that there isn't sufficient level of support from the angling community for some of the benefits that we would all like to see included in the final strategy.
It's important also to understand that the consultation, which ends on 31st March 2008, isn't simply a referendum.
As well giving support to some issues, and questioning the need for other proposals and perhaps introducing new ideas, the Government will particularly be looking for detailed arguments being put forward, supported by evidence that can be substantiated.
Whatever your initial views on the strategy, SACN strongly urges that anglers and angling organisations should take some time studying the proposals, and respond to the consultation, in particular supporting the positive proposals.
For you can bet that others with different agendas will certainly be doing so.
As well as recieving written responses, the DEFRA team will be visiting various areas of the country to canvass as wide a selection of views as possible, so keep your ear to the ground for any such visits to your area, and try to make other local anglers aware.
DEFRA will also be pleased to hear of any opportunities to address large numbers of anglers, at angling events or meetings, so if your local club or division etc can assure a good attendance, please get in contact with DEFRA who may be able to arrange such a visit.
Once the consultation period closes, the responses will be examined and a final strategy (which you now have the opportunity of influencing) will be adopted by DEFRA for implementation.
And that final strategy will undoubtedly fundamentally shape the future of our Recreational Sea Fisheries for some considerable time to come.
The consultation documents can be accessed at:
Defra, UK - Consultations - Consultation on a Recreational Sea Angling Strategy for England
Cheers
Dave
To all SACN members,
Today DEFRA have finally launched the public consultation on the strategy for the development and management of Recreational Sea Angling in England.
The draft strategy has been put together by a wide range of marine stakeholder interest organisations, including anglers, commercial fishermen, Sea Fisheries Committees, marine scientists, environmental NGOs and DEFRA officials.
Now everybody has the opportunity to criticise and contribute to the draft proposals.
Undoubtedly there will be issues which sea anglers need to be wary of, and some will question the ability of the Government to deliver the benefits which Sea Anglers expect, particularly in a 'consensus' environment where all stakeholders will be seeking to protect their own interests foremost.
But there are other issues, such as the management of some species for recreational purpose, aiming to ensure access to more and bigger fish, and the 'Golden Mile' which anglers will need to enthusiastically back.
And maybe individuals and organisations will want to see some other things included.
It is important that anglers don't just concentrate on the negatives, but also support those things which they see of benefit, and which could usefully be included, otherwise there is a possibility that DEFRA will assume that there isn't sufficient level of support from the angling community for some of the benefits that we would all like to see included in the final strategy.
It's important also to understand that the consultation, which ends on 31st March 2008, isn't simply a referendum.
As well giving support to some issues, and questioning the need for other proposals and perhaps introducing new ideas, the Government will particularly be looking for detailed arguments being put forward, supported by evidence that can be substantiated.
Whatever your initial views on the strategy, SACN strongly urges that anglers and angling organisations should take some time studying the proposals, and respond to the consultation, in particular supporting the positive proposals.
For you can bet that others with different agendas will certainly be doing so.
As well as recieving written responses, the DEFRA team will be visiting various areas of the country to canvass as wide a selection of views as possible, so keep your ear to the ground for any such visits to your area, and try to make other local anglers aware.
DEFRA will also be pleased to hear of any opportunities to address large numbers of anglers, at angling events or meetings, so if your local club or division etc can assure a good attendance, please get in contact with DEFRA who may be able to arrange such a visit.
Once the consultation period closes, the responses will be examined and a final strategy (which you now have the opportunity of influencing) will be adopted by DEFRA for implementation.
And that final strategy will undoubtedly fundamentally shape the future of our Recreational Sea Fisheries for some considerable time to come.
The consultation documents can be accessed at:
Defra, UK - Consultations - Consultation on a Recreational Sea Angling Strategy for England
Cheers
Dave
davem2005
Well-known member
A quick run through the document confirms one thing to me...its full of baffling gobbledegook that very people understand completely.
But if it helps here is a breakdown of the questions being asked of anglers in a far easier to understand format along with links to the relevant section in the document.
1
Section 1
Page 4
What are your overall views on the Strategy? Does it miss anything? Which part would you change and how?
2
Section 1
Page 4
How often do you go angling?
Where do you mostly go angling? Do you go on angling holidays?
What sort of angling – shore, own boat or charter vessels?
3
Section 2
Page 5
Why do you go sea angling? What are the key reasons for your participation in the sport? What is the biggest issue for you affecting your angling?
4
Section 2
Page 5
Do you agree with the aim and objectives of the Strategy? Which objective do you think is most important?
5
Section 3
Page 7
How do you think angling needs can be reflected in fisheries management decisions and policy? What do you think is the best way to achieve this?
6
Section 4
Page 8
Which species do you value most? What action would you like to see taken to improve these stocks?
7
Section 5
Page 12
If a sea angling licence were introduced and the revenue spent to provide benefits for sea anglers, would you be willing to pay and how much?
8
Section 5
Page 12
Would you support a bag limit for certain species where there is a conservation need and there are controls on commercial exploitation of the same species?
9
Section 7
Page 15
What would you spend money on to improve your enjoyment of sea angling?
10
Section 9
Page 18
What new sources of information are you aware of that are available to build an evidence base? E.g. data on catches, social studies, angling business turnovers, numbers of people going on charter vessels year on year etc
Replies to those questions can be from individuals or clubs/organisations.
If you do reply on behalf of a club please ensure you make it clear as to the number of members you have.
If you need any help just PM me.
Cheers
Dave
But if it helps here is a breakdown of the questions being asked of anglers in a far easier to understand format along with links to the relevant section in the document.
1
Section 1
Page 4
What are your overall views on the Strategy? Does it miss anything? Which part would you change and how?
2
Section 1
Page 4
How often do you go angling?
Where do you mostly go angling? Do you go on angling holidays?
What sort of angling – shore, own boat or charter vessels?
3
Section 2
Page 5
Why do you go sea angling? What are the key reasons for your participation in the sport? What is the biggest issue for you affecting your angling?
4
Section 2
Page 5
Do you agree with the aim and objectives of the Strategy? Which objective do you think is most important?
5
Section 3
Page 7
How do you think angling needs can be reflected in fisheries management decisions and policy? What do you think is the best way to achieve this?
6
Section 4
Page 8
Which species do you value most? What action would you like to see taken to improve these stocks?
7
Section 5
Page 12
If a sea angling licence were introduced and the revenue spent to provide benefits for sea anglers, would you be willing to pay and how much?
8
Section 5
Page 12
Would you support a bag limit for certain species where there is a conservation need and there are controls on commercial exploitation of the same species?
9
Section 7
Page 15
What would you spend money on to improve your enjoyment of sea angling?
10
Section 9
Page 18
What new sources of information are you aware of that are available to build an evidence base? E.g. data on catches, social studies, angling business turnovers, numbers of people going on charter vessels year on year etc
Replies to those questions can be from individuals or clubs/organisations.
If you do reply on behalf of a club please ensure you make it clear as to the number of members you have.
If you need any help just PM me.
Cheers
Dave
Recreational Sea Angling Licence
5.4 All fisheries stakeholders have a responsibility to share the cost of science
and fisheries management. A combined mechanism that would raise money
for the benefit of sea anglers, provide an effective communication tool,
gather information to better understand anglers’ needs, promote fuller
participation in management fora, and enable effective monitoring and
enforcement would underpin other elements of the RSA Strategy. A sea
angling licence (operating in a similar way to the freshwater angling licence)
could meet these needs. The costs and benefits must be transparent,
justifiable and clearly understood. Additional revenue would need to be
returned to the angling sector through a range of projects and programmes
that would enhance the angling experience.
Freshwater guys 2 rods per licence you then pay more per rod.
5.4 All fisheries stakeholders have a responsibility to share the cost of science
and fisheries management. A combined mechanism that would raise money
for the benefit of sea anglers, provide an effective communication tool,
gather information to better understand anglers’ needs, promote fuller
participation in management fora, and enable effective monitoring and
enforcement would underpin other elements of the RSA Strategy. A sea
angling licence (operating in a similar way to the freshwater angling licence)
could meet these needs. The costs and benefits must be transparent,
justifiable and clearly understood. Additional revenue would need to be
returned to the angling sector through a range of projects and programmes
that would enhance the angling experience.
Freshwater guys 2 rods per licence you then pay more per rod.
moocher
Well-known member
with quotes like this we have already lost the fight...
