Is this an intermediate sinking line.

Mick

The first link, you're right it stands for weight forward 7 medium sinker.

The second link, my opinion on these is don't bother, the lines are too light, you need an 8 or 9 to get decent distance I just don't think 6s will be heavy enough for what you would need. Then again it depends on what your rod is. I have a Hardy Graphite bought it brand new when I was 14 so it's 27 years old and it's line size 8/9 I always use weight forward 9s and can cast a 30yard line off no problem, I would recommend you get the heaviest line your rod is capable of taking, they will cast further.

And once you get experience you will learn that it's always more productive casting into the wind than with the wind coming over your shoulders, unless the fish have just been stocked of course in which case it is always more productive fishing where the fish have been stocked:D

So to punch a line out into the wind you need a heavier line.
 
Thanks Craig. Wish i knew that earlier just ordered floating line in a six. Mind i only have a rod designed for 6 or 7. Its just a cheap starter rod.
I,ll order the intermediate now.

Cheers Mick.
 
Thanks Craig. Wish i knew that earlier just ordered floating line in a six. Mind i only have a rod designed for 6 or 7. Its just a cheap starter rod.
I,ll order the intermediate now.

Cheers Mick.

Mick

See the comments I've made on the other thread about an intermediate line, save your money, you don't need one.

If you can catch a fish on an intermediate line I guarentee it will be possible to catch it on a floater, and easier too.
 
What a load of B****cks

What a load of B****cks

Ok.

For a start, what has been said above is total rubbish. You definatly do NOT need an 8 or 9 weight line to cast a 'decent' distance. In National Casting competitions I have personally cast 35 years with a 4 weight. I agree that a 7 or 8 weight is probably best for most of the stillwater trout fishing though. Also, DO NOT use the heaviest weight fly line your rod will take. It all depends on your casting style. It is a personal choice.

Also, what was said about you not needing an intermediate line is absolute rubbish! If you want to pull flies at any sort of speed somewhere near the surface, intermediate lines are needed. They are also perfect for keeping flies close to the surface without creating a disturbance.

Finally, a line marked as MS is NOT an intermediate.

Thank you!!!
 
Ok.

For a start, what has been said above is total rubbish. You definatly do NOT need an 8 or 9 weight line to cast a 'decent' distance. In National Casting competitions I have personally cast 35 years with a 4 weight. I agree that a 7 or 8 weight is probably best for most of the stillwater trout fishing though. Also, DO NOT use the heaviest weight fly line your rod will take. It all depends on your casting style. It is a personal choice.

Also, what was said about you not needing an intermediate line is absolute rubbish! If you want to pull flies at any sort of speed somewhere near the surface, intermediate lines are needed. They are also perfect for keeping flies close to the surface without creating a disturbance.

Finally, a line marked as MS is NOT an intermediate.

Thank you!!!

First of all, I'm not talking about casting competitions I'm talking about fishing, so we do agree that a 7 or 8 is better for fishing than a 4 so how can what I have said be b****cks. Your words not mine "I agree that a 7 or 8 weight is probably best"

The second statement you make, "If you want to pull flies at any sort of speed somewhere near the surface, intermediate lines are needed"
this is the biggest load I have ever heard, that's what floating lines are for, exactly what they are for.

I must admit however that an intermediate can come in handy if the surface is flat because you can fish them like a floater without the wake but I was giving advice to novices here not experts and to me it is more beneficial for a novice to buy a floater and a sinker. So if you think about what was said then none of it is b****cks or rubbish.

I'll stand by what I say, buy the heaviest line your rod will take, you'll stand a much better chance of casting it straight into a wind than a lighter line. If you are starting out then get a sinker and a floater, you don't need an intermediate.

I've no doubt you could cast a size 4 line in a competition but I bet not as far as an 8 or 9, so now who is talking rubbish. And no one said a line marked MS was an intermediate
 
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That's got to be a World Record, surely!!

That's got to be a World Record, surely!!

Ok.

For a start, what has been said above is total rubbish. You definatly do NOT need an 8 or 9 weight line to cast a 'decent' distance. In National Casting competitions I have personally cast 35 years with a 4 weight. I agree that a 7 or 8 weight is probably best for most of the stillwater trout fishing though. Also, DO NOT use the heaviest weight fly line your rod will take. It all depends on your casting style. It is a personal choice.

Also, what was said about you not needing an intermediate line is absolute rubbish! If you want to pull flies at any sort of speed somewhere near the surface, intermediate lines are needed. They are also perfect for keeping flies close to the surface without creating a disturbance.

Finally, a line marked as MS is NOT an intermediate.

Thank you!!!

It seems we may have got crossed wires when it comes to casting competitions, in the past any competition I've ever been in has been purely on distance rather than length of time, so I understand now why you would want to use a 4 not a 9, credit where it's due you certainly have stamina, bet you were starving by the time you'd finished, and in need of a shave! :D
 
As a novice i have watched other people fishing next to me.
I agree a floating line will do for most things as long as you have a long leader.
But the bloke next to me last week was using an intermediate line and he was hitting the fish.
So for the sake of a tenner i,ll give it a go.
As to sinking lines i have only seen one guy using this at the resevoir and he kept getting stuck on the bottom. I,ll leave the sinking line for now but if i see fish getting caught will probs spend another tenner and put it on my old cheap reel.(i have seen it used on rivers and fish caught)
As to casting i am a complete novice but am learning. The bloke in the shop was saying the other day you do not have to cast miles.
I am even considering paying for some instruction. But i,ll see how things pan out.
It also makes sense the heavier the line the further it will go. But until i try i will not know.

Mick.
 
As a novice i have watched other people fishing next to me.
I agree a floating line will do for most things as long as you have a long leader.
But the bloke next to me last week was using an intermediate line and he was hitting the fish.
So for the sake of a tenner i,ll give it a go.
As to sinking lines i have only seen one guy using this at the resevoir and he kept getting stuck on the bottom. I,ll leave the sinking line for now but if i see fish getting caught will probs spend another tenner and put it on my old cheap reel.(i have seen it used on rivers and fish caught)
As to casting i am a complete novice but am learning. The bloke in the shop was saying the other day you do not have to cast miles.
I am even considering paying for some instruction. But i,ll see how things pan out.
It also makes sense the heavier the line the further it will go. But until i try i will not know.

Mick.

If you like I will give you some pointers as far as casting is concerned, we could always pop up the field and give it a go, I've never used my fly gear for years but pretty sure I can still get a decent line out. Just like falling off a bike really. :p

Give me a ring if you like and we can arrange a time, we could always go to Waskerly and try some casting there, that's unless it's members only, it's only 10 mins drive and I don't think it will be very expensive, possibly even give the Derwent ago once it warms up a bit.
 
Mick , You need to match your line to your rod , if as you say you have a 6/7 weight rod it will cast a 6 or a 7 weight line . A 6 weight can be cast just as far as a 7 weight in fact I believe the world record casting distances are done with 5 weights.The number (6,7or 8etc) is the weight of the casting section of the line , a rod needs to be loaded (pulled into a bend) by the weight of the line to be able to launch it forward , a 4 weight line is too light to "load" a 9weight rod , they are stiffer and need a heavy line to load them.
A 6 or 7 will be enough to load your rod without overstressing it.
When you are fishing though a 7 weight is probably the optimum weight to use assuming you are fishing for rainbows in reservoirs or stocked lakes.
On a perfectly still day a 5 or 6 weight would be ideal choices, they are light , cast just as far as heavier weight lines and land gently on the water so as not to splash and spook the fish , in a gale they would blow all over the place and be extremely difficult to cast , a 9 weight is far better in these conditions but is heavy to use all day and lands with a thump on the water, but you can't cast a 9 weight on a 5 weight rod and visa versa. so to save buying 6 rods and 6 lines most folk get the happy medium of a 7weight , heavy enough to cast in a decent wind yet light enough to lay gently on the water and control easily.
As for which line to get virtually every fly angler I know (and there are a lot of them) have a floating and an intermediate as their first two choices of line.
Most lads I know take two rods , one set up with a floater , the other set up with an intermediate , then carry a spare spool for their intermediate reel with a sinking line on it.
There are lots of reasons why an intermediate line will sometimes be better than a floating line , if there is a strong breeze blowing it can move a floating line sideways at quite a speed meaning no matter how slow your retrieve the fly is always moving fast and rising to the surface , an intermediate allows the line to sit just under the surface and be pulled at the speed you want without the wind affecting it , intermediates can be better in flat calm conditions too , causing less wake when retrieving .
Sinking lines can be deadly too , if the fish are on or near the bottom a sinking line with a very short leader and a floating fly is so effective it has been banned on some waters , cast out let the lot sink and wait .....that's it!
When you start to get into fly fishing you can make it as complicated or as simple as you like , but to get the best out of all seasons weathers and conditions you need to learn which lines to use when and how.
For the next few months (assuming the temps rise to normal for this time of year) a floating line should be your first choice , if it's blowing a bit and you are struggling to control it , switch to an intermediate .

Ray.
 
Thanks for all the advice guys. Craig next time i get the oppertunity to fish i will let you know. I really fancy going back to the Derwent on the side where you are only allowed to fish with fly.
I have also bought some sinking line. Cheap stuff to start out with.
If i still enjoy the fly fishing i will upgrade to some decent stuff.
total cost of my upgrade for this season is.

Shakespear floating line with free backing £11.49.
Shakespear MS line with free backing £11.49.
Shakespear fly fishing reel size 7 line with free spool £15.00.
Sinking line £5.

Assortments of flys/lures etc £25 ish.(up to now)

Next time round probs Hardy gear.
GRX reel.6-7
Rod 6-7 WF.
Hardy or snowbee lines.

The lads in NE Tackle tried to sell me a new rod in the shop down the Pool on Saturday for £99. But i,ll wait on for a bit.
 
Mick an MS is a medium sinker. If you look on the on the box it came in it may have the sink rate marked on it. ie, inches/feet per second.
 
Mick, just a little tip, when you purchase a flyline, it comes with a little sticker denoting the weight. e.g. w/f d/t etc.. stick this to the back of the reel to remind you which line is on which reel. It's a bit confusing when you first start, just dont make hard work of it. If it's just your casting , have a few lessons, and you will enjoy fishing your own way.:)
 
Mick, just a little tip, when you purchase a flyline, it comes with a little sticker denoting the weight. e.g. w/f d/t etc.. stick this to the back of the reel to remind you which line is on which reel. It's a bit confusing when you first start, just dont make hard work of it. If it's just your casting , have a few lessons, and you will enjoy fishing your own way.:)

WF and DT refer to line profiles not weights

Weight Forward and Double Taper both come in a range of wieghts I believe. Both do a "Similar" job IMO.

Mick get yourself on flyforums.co.uk and have a lurk

The mags are a great source of info for new starters as well.
 
Mick , You need to match your line to your rod , if as you say you have a 6/7 weight rod it will cast a 6 or a 7 weight line . A 6 weight can be cast just as far as a 7 weight in fact I believe the world record casting distances are done with 5 weights.The number (6,7or 8etc) is the weight of the casting section of the line , a rod needs to be loaded (pulled into a bend) by the weight of the line to be able to launch it forward , a 4 weight line is too light to "load" a 9weight rod , they are stiffer and need a heavy line to load them.
A 6 or 7 will be enough to load your rod without overstressing it.
When you are fishing though a 7 weight is probably the optimum weight to use assuming you are fishing for rainbows in reservoirs or stocked lakes.
On a perfectly still day a 5 or 6 weight would be ideal choices, they are light , cast just as far as heavier weight lines and land gently on the water so as not to splash and spook the fish , in a gale they would blow all over the place and be extremely difficult to cast , a 9 weight is far better in these conditions but is heavy to use all day and lands with a thump on the water, but you can't cast a 9 weight on a 5 weight rod and visa versa. so to save buying 6 rods and 6 lines most folk get the happy medium of a 7weight , heavy enough to cast in a decent wind yet light enough to lay gently on the water and control easily.
As for which line to get virtually every fly angler I know (and there are a lot of them) have a floating and an intermediate as their first two choices of line.
Most lads I know take two rods , one set up with a floater , the other set up with an intermediate , then carry a spare spool for their intermediate reel with a sinking line on it.
There are lots of reasons why an intermediate line will sometimes be better than a floating line , if there is a strong breeze blowing it can move a floating line sideways at quite a speed meaning no matter how slow your retrieve the fly is always moving fast and rising to the surface , an intermediate allows the line to sit just under the surface and be pulled at the speed you want without the wind affecting it , intermediates can be better in flat calm conditions too , causing less wake when retrieving .
Sinking lines can be deadly too , if the fish are on or near the bottom a sinking line with a very short leader and a floating fly is so effective it has been banned on some waters , cast out let the lot sink and wait .....that's it!
When you start to get into fly fishing you can make it as complicated or as simple as you like , but to get the best out of all seasons weathers and conditions you need to learn which lines to use when and how.
For the next few months (assuming the temps rise to normal for this time of year) a floating line should be your first choice , if it's blowing a bit and you are struggling to control it , switch to an intermediate .

Ray.

Good solid info there for you mick

There's something else to chuck in the mix and that is choice of leader - the bit that joins your fly line to your fly - you can get floaters sinkers and evrything in between. A sinking leader on a floating line will put a fly down.

Then you've got your flies to think about - some float some don't

Might sound complicated but just get out amongst them you'll catch fish. When I started I was yarking them in left right and centre - since I've learnt a bit and read a few books I've had a terrible time, many blanks/ I hope it's that thing called the learning curve. Flyfishing's great I love it, there are as many forms, techniques and opinions associated with it as sea fishing (arguably more), it's often perceived as a mysterious art, more to do with the fact that posh fellas do it as well and like to think they're a bit clivva. It's like out - listen, question, practice, experiment but above all do and enjoy. If you don't like it - burn your rod or stick it in someone's eye (not mine)

Cheers
 
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