Crab traps

[codseeker]

i usually get the odd kids hanging around up on the top as im in the traps ,and adults too,but basicilly they just curious and wonder what you are doing,i do explain if they ask ,and i dont shout and ball and tell them to scatter,an old bloke the same stood and watched today ,and says he has fished for 30 years and used rag and lug and allways wondered where peeler come from they had in the tackle shops , i says well you know now mate.

p.s i aint a supplier by the way mine are for own use

 

[red rock]

pretty weak arguement, comparing speeding to threatening people over assumed ownership of something in the wild, and polluting the environment

where do I get mine, in the north east?? simple I don't, and very rarely do I buy them either. Mainly as I rarely fish the north east coast anymore, especially not the piers. But yes I do buy them now and then from tackle shops, and yes I am aware they are an illegal product, as I'd be very suprised if any tackle shop anywhere takes crab to re-sell from someone who is licenced commercially to exploit them. because thats what we are talking about isn't it, commercial exploitation if they are in a shop.


Elsewhere (scotland/devon/cornwall) I spend time looking for crab where they should be, once I've got enough for a session, maybe 10 or 12, I leave it at that and go fishing. any left over go in the freezer, and are taken out for the next trip.

The insanity of this whole "mine" debate became polarised for me last month when a grown man in his forties points a garden fork at an 8 year old boy and tells him 'go near my ****ing traps and I'll break your ****ing arms'.

So what I want to know and would love to understand is what makes anything in a tyre on a beach yours, mine, his hers or whoevers. If I go and dump a row of tyres next to yours and collect whats in them, what then, are they then automatically mine?? you going to be perfectly happy with that, or do we then progress to thats my bit of beach/river bank?? You never going to look in my tyres when your in yours and leave the contents alone??, If I take the boat along the pier wall dumping bags of groundbait, does that make all the fish caught from the pier that day mine??

removing so many might even be self defeating, maybe its a contributing factor to the reasons there's less cod inshore and in the river - there's less of their natural food source.

In the long run, the 'mine' attitude will only bring attention to the collectors from the various authorities that have an interest. The everyone is screwed

so much for angling being a social and civilised sport.

i have crabbed for many years and in all that time i have met some canny lads doing the traps who will do anything in there power to help you.this guy who you mention is a grade one d**k and i would think a lot of the lads i know doing the traps would break his f***ing arms for the young lad. not all the lads who do the traps and put them in are nutters,some are well known top anglers on this coast and have good jobs and are well respected. as for this mine business,the golden rule of the traps is to be there on time and if you are not yes you can expect people to be doing them and you only have yourself to blame. but the guys who are up to there neck in water trying to get your traps before you are the problem and yes they get chased as it is just not on,but like i have said before i dont argue i just be civel to them and dont threaten people as they might just give me a good kicking instead,lol

 

[Lowrider]

Must admit i was parked up at North Shields with my wife munching on some chips watching a guy going through "his" traps.
Explained to my wife when she asked what he was doing and some of the politics around traps.
As with many she simply couldn't get her head around how anyone can lay claim to a crab.
Boggles the mind at some of the attitudes i have heard of.

 

[mark]

fishless i totally agree with what u say also some of the lads who do the traps are on the dole because they cant get decent jobs wage etc being on the poverty line aint nice ive been there and to put food on the table and clothe your kids if it means macking a few bob else where good luck to them i will help these lads out and tell them who to beaware of wnen selling there crabs grasses and the likes lower than low better things r pulled out of thier traps

I guess its safe to assume then that anyone with 600-1000 traps is on the dole, as I'd love to know how with a full time job they can get there everytide to check em. and with that number of traps its clearly a commercial enterprise, from 1000 traps, if they get 100 crabs a day, and assuming tacles shops are gonna try double up on prices that could be 50 quid a day, 7 days a week, is 350 quid a week, £1400 a month cash in hand as a little fiddle!! whilst getting the dole, housing benefit and the rest.

makes paying my taxes a joy knowing that

 

[Charlie_Thompson]

I used to think the tyres I saw at low tide were there to stop boats from hurting thenselves when they bumped on the bottom (honestly) They are an eyesore i hate seeing them. My mate takes an old rake for lifting kelp, and a spine for turning over rocks, he does alright. I do buy crabs occasionally so I suppose that makes me a hypocrite, but I also buy training shoes, kids toys, fishing rods, clothes etc. Made by hardworking people from other countries being payed a couple of bits of straw for a days graft. I've got no problem with working class people making a few fly fly bob - I've got more of a problem with the stinking rich scamming us by tax dodging, outsourcing and offshore banking (The first to talk about Queen, Country and The Work Ethic) and paying the bare minimum to get us to do a days work without us setting fire to their heads before we get the bus home of an evening.

Regardless of the impact on crab stocks there's got to be a better way than dumping freaking tyres in the River and littering the coastline with them.

 

[The man from the prom]

traps

traps

very well said charlie i agree with most u say not all but most of it

 

[fishless]

I guess its safe to assume then that anyone with 600-1000 traps is on the dole, as I'd love to know how with a full time job they can get there everytide to check em. and with that number of traps its clearly a commercial enterprise, from 1000 traps, if they get 100 crabs a day, and assuming tacles shops are gonna try double up on prices that could be 50 quid a day, 7 days a week, is 350 quid a week, £1400 a month cash in hand as a little fiddle!! whilst getting the dole, housing benefit and the rest.

makes paying my taxes a joy knowing that

sry mark your assumption is wrong
i for 1 only sell my crabs to me friends at a fraction of the cost it would be in a tackle shop and to those who are at work and cant get down to do the traps , my traps are shared between 6 ppl [ and i only have about 150 ]
and im only down every other day

other crabbers who share part of the river i use are both in full time work and only occasionally get down aswell

 

[mark]

my assumption, if you read it was based on the idea of someone 'owning' up to 1000 traps

if they have a full time job, how do they manage to visit that many daily?? if they don't, and someone is there, on a day when they do not visit them, we are back to the "mine" scenario.

so if someone wises up and sticks 10,000 tyres the length of the tyne, the logic will follow that they are therefore "theirs" and you will all then respect that and not go near them then?? What if someone recognises the commercial potential and applies for a commercial licence to exploit crabs in the tyne or wear or wherever. Who's in the right then??

this discussions seems to have been noticed elsewhere, there's an intersting thread at:

http://www.worldseafishing.com/forums/showthread.php?t=68353

there's a reference on their to some research from English Heritage which seems to confirm the damage done to crab stocks, and if you go read the full paper, damage to the local environment and, and here's the sucker punch - fish stocks and the whole marine mciro environment in that area. none of us are happy at the overfishing that has screwed the north sea fish stocks, but it seems exploiting another part of the same food chain is ok??

Been an intersting debate so far, especially with us all supposedly looking over our shoulders at licencing

 

[red rock]

I guess its safe to assume then that anyone with 600-1000 traps is on the dole, as I'd love to know how with a full time job they can get there everytide to check em. and with that number of traps its clearly a commercial enterprise, from 1000 traps, if they get 100 crabs a day, and assuming tacles shops are gonna try double up on prices that could be 50 quid a day, 7 days a week, is 350 quid a week, £1400 a month cash in hand as a little fiddle!! whilst getting the dole, housing benefit and the rest.

makes paying my taxes a joy knowing that

hands up all the guys on the dole with a 1000 traps making this sort of cash,lol the crab in the tyne only stay on for a month or so in numbers as with the other rivers then you struggle to get 20 or so on a good day through the summer,lol so pick the bones out of that.nobody is making that sort of cash it is impossible to get 100 a day and i dont know anybody with a thousand traps and just how much mud do you think is available to put that amount down

 

[codnot]

am righting a new song for the lads with the traps in the river THE CRAB ON THE TYNE IS MINE ALL MINE !! HA HA

 

[john/r]

reluctantly i had to say summit here ,how many people have actualy tried going down crabbing in the rivers going thro the trap up to the neck in mud has anyone tried walking thro it. earlier on it was said i could,nt stop laughing when i read it thre is plenty of jobs out there start from the bottom and work yourself up if only, lick peoples arses seem to me as the way to work your way up now these days ,they used to say the rich will look after the poor what a load of crap the rich will look after after themselves fullstop. my dad used to say to me vote labour they are for the working class labour now are just plastic tories, get a life get a job and work yourself up thats history now.anyway finished with forums now had enough of all this crap too much arguing had my say

 

[insanojackson]

reluctantly i had to say summit here ,how many people have actualy tried going down crabbing in the rivers going thro the trap up to the neck in mud has anyone tried walking thro it. earlier on it was said i could,nt stop laughing when i read it thre is plenty of jobs out there start from the bottom and work yourself up if only, lick peoples arses seem to me as the way to work your way up now these days ,they used to say the rich will look after the poor what a load of crap the rich will look after after themselves fullstop. my dad used to say to me vote labour they are for the working class labour now are just plastic tories, get a life get a job and work yourself up thats history now.anyway finished with forums now had enough of all this crap too much arguing had my say

Labour are not for the working class at all, I would consider myself working class and they do feck all for me! except take tax from me!

Labour look after the people who generally cant be arsed to get a job and better themselves!

 

[The man from the prom]

crabs.

crabs.

you will b a lot worse of with the torries remember the pits the shipyards all gone i am happy to see people working the river again with there traps thatcher couldnt beat them

 

[insanojackson]

you will b a lot worse of with the torries remember the pits the shipyards all gone i am happy to see people working the river again with there traps thatcher couldnt beat them

Maybe but i would happily take my chance!


What did Thatcher have against people with crab traps then?

 

[The man from the prom]

crabs

crabs

john dont be silly dint give up that easy keep your chin up there will be work for u out there somewhere loads a jobs washing dishes £1an hour you are a tradesman thatcher tried to do away with them you will get a job in your trade somewhere .new this would end in politics

 

[The man from the prom]

politics

politics

thatcher wouldnt like blokes with crab traps cause they wouldnt kiss her right wing torrie. hating working class hairy arse

 

[red rock]

it dont mention tyres here in what causes pollution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_pollution infact sea weed is growing on mine.

 

[insanojackson]

it dont mention tyres here in what causes pollution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_pollution infact sea weed is growing on mine.

Sea weed may well grow on them. This doesnt mean there not causing pollution. There an eyesore and not natural to the sea. They will not rot away and wil be there for ever.

 

[red rock]

Sea weed may well grow on them. This doesnt mean there not causing pollution. There an eyesore and not natural to the sea. They will not rot away and wil be there for ever.

lets get something straight,the tyres in the mud fill up with silt every year and hence need cleaned out every year.if they are left they just eventually get buried, so no they will not be there forever and traps have been put in the mud since the seventies so why pick on them now,not all crabbers are on the dole or are agressive towards children or anybody.yes they are effective and thats why people want to get in them and all the lads who put them in want is the chance to get what they put them in for in there bucket i.e. crab.they dont want to fight and like me i can only be in them at certain time as i have a job and thats my right as i done all the bloody hard work in the first place. are you going to start picking on the guy who dig your lugworm next as i bet a few of them are on the dole and without them i bet most of you would be without bait in the winter.

 

[codseeker]

where i have mine as im walking in the sleck i can feel the old tyres underneath that are so deep ,rows and rows of them so they must of been there decades too ,so it shows ya they must of been a lot of folk doing them in the past