Crab traps

[alan]

There must be millions of tyres littering our shore lines as everyone says "there my tyres" or "somebody has been in my tyres",as pointed out there not your tyres and technically speaking its "Fly Tipping" and illegal,very similar to the people we complain about that dump rubbish at our favorite fishing mark,a couple of lads pulled me at Blyth and accused me of "robbing there crabs" lmfao i said "what you going to do about it dic#head"
as it happens they done nothing about apart from scratch there heads,I actually had'nt touched there so called tyres,somebody else had just been and done them,I guess they missed the tide or were busy signing on.I seen them in the local tackle shop and asked how his tyres were doing
Dont just blame the foreign community for over indulging,check out the West Coast or Boulmer areas on any big tide

 

[Stores]

Treeboa - understand the problem now. Good old local councils - how do we solve longshore drift? Put some groynes in. What are the consequences of that? Don't know but lets do it anyway otherwise Joe Public has nothing to sit on.
With regard to the politically correct argument (and without a racist bone in my body) I can honestly say that Sharpness has never recovered from the blitzkrieg it took a number of years ago now from our south east Asian colleagues. One presumes they were taken for culinary purposes and I don't know how you legislate for that.

 

[mark]

varying combinations of greed and hipocracy in it all.

at the end of the day, putting tyres out is illegal. If you are selling what you collect to tackle shops, that is illegal, if your signing on and selling them, that is illegal, If you signing on and spending your every waking coveting your tyres and not looking for a job that is illegal, threatening people you think night be near them, that is illegal

squirreling thousands away for the rest of the year/winter, is in my book immoral, and just greed. Nobody really knows what the effect of it all is on the crab population, as I don't think anyone has studied it fully, but I bet there's a lot less crabs inshore now then there was 20 years ago. As part of the food chain, ever wondered what the effeects of that might be. less fish in the sea due to overfishing and less fish in shore because there's less in there natural food chain perhaps

so where does that leave the angler that might every now and then want to go and collect some bait?? Well apparently we're not allowed to, because they all belong to someone. What next?? you can't fish there thats my rock and I own all the fish that are caught from it .

the fact that you feel you've have to resort to threats to protect what you think is rightfully yours is such unbelievably infantile behaviour, I actually pity you. What sad lives you must lead

 

[Stephen]

i caught someone today

 

[KeithB]

i caught someone today

in your tyres? or the other ones you've been spotted in?

 

[red rock]

varying combinations of greed and hipocracy in it all.

at the end of the day, putting tyres out is illegal. If you are selling what you collect to tackle shops, that is illegal, if your signing on and selling them, that is illegal, If you signing on and spending your every waking coveting your tyres and not looking for a job that is illegal, threatening people you think night be near them, that is illegal

squirreling thousands away for the rest of the year/winter, is in my book immoral, and just greed. Nobody really knows what the effect of it all is on the crab population, as I don't think anyone has studied it fully, but I bet there's a lot less crabs inshore now then there was 20 years ago. As part of the food chain, ever wondered what the effeects of that might be. less fish in the sea due to overfishing and less fish in shore because there's less in there natural food chain perhaps

so where does that leave the angler that might every now and then want to go and collect some bait?? Well apparently we're not allowed to, because they all belong to someone. What next?? you can't fish there thats my rock and I own all the fish that are caught from it .

the fact that you feel you've have to resort to threats to protect what you think is rightfully yours is such unbelievably infantile behaviour, I actually pity you. What sad lives you must lead

so where do you get your crab from??? i have traps and work and only take what i need, which these days is a couple of hundred or so for the winter plus what i need for a spot of fishing in the summer.nobody puts a thousand in the freezer anymore and i still get the same amount of crab out my traps as i did ten year ago,so there are not less crab in the river. plus i do not threaten people if they are in them, you are asking for a punch if you do,reasoning pays better. plus without the illegal people you mention where would the shops get there crab from i take it you stick to the speed limit all the time and have never parked on a double yellow line

 

[red rock]

as for natural crab traps i will use the blyth as an example. most of it is barron of rocks or things to turn over,so where were the crab peeling before the traps went down,were they just sitting in the mud waiting for the seagulls to pick them off

 

[mark]

so where do you get your crab from??? i have traps and work and only take what i need, which these days is a couple of hundred or so for the winter plus what i need for a spot of fishing in the summer.nobody puts a thousand in the freezer anymore and i still get the same amount of crab out my traps as i did ten year ago,so there are not less crab in the river. plus i do not threaten people if they are in them, you are asking for a punch if you do,reasoning pays better. plus without the illegal people you mention where would the shops get there crab from i take it you stick to the speed limit all the time and have never parked on a double yellow line

pretty weak arguement, comparing speeding to threatening people over assumed ownership of something in the wild, and polluting the environment

where do I get mine, in the north east?? simple I don't, and very rarely do I buy them either. Mainly as I rarely fish the north east coast anymore, especially not the piers. But yes I do buy them now and then from tackle shops, and yes I am aware they are an illegal product, as I'd be very suprised if any tackle shop anywhere takes crab to re-sell from someone who is licenced commercially to exploit them. because thats what we are talking about isn't it, commercial exploitation if they are in a shop.


Elsewhere (scotland/devon/cornwall) I spend time looking for crab where they should be, once I've got enough for a session, maybe 10 or 12, I leave it at that and go fishing. any left over go in the freezer, and are taken out for the next trip.

The insanity of this whole "mine" debate became polarised for me last month when a grown man in his forties points a garden fork at an 8 year old boy and tells him 'go near my ****ing traps and I'll break your ****ing arms'.

So what I want to know and would love to understand is what makes anything in a tyre on a beach yours, mine, his hers or whoevers. If I go and dump a row of tyres next to yours and collect whats in them, what then, are they then automatically mine?? you going to be perfectly happy with that, or do we then progress to thats my bit of beach/river bank?? You never going to look in my tyres when your in yours and leave the contents alone??, If I take the boat along the pier wall dumping bags of groundbait, does that make all the fish caught from the pier that day mine??

removing so many might even be self defeating, maybe its a contributing factor to the reasons there's less cod inshore and in the river - there's less of their natural food source.

In the long run, the 'mine' attitude will only bring attention to the collectors from the various authorities that have an interest. The everyone is screwed

so much for angling being a social and civilised sport.

 

[fishingfanatastico]

Hi mate,
I only take what i really need and freeze them up for the winter and go and pick them for a spot of summer fishing. I freeze no more than a couple of hundered up, most of which i buy as i don't have as many traps as other lads, i have 25 if that so the amount of crab i get out of my traps isn't going to really deplite stocks and there may not be as many crab as 20 years ago but there is still thousands about, its the same as cod there may not be as many around as say 10 years ago but theres always a good turnout every year of these fish. Only been getting 7 peelers out of the 25 traps a tide, personally i like using luggy and mussel in the winter and never used one peeler all of last year in the winter, used them far to early and only caught a few tommys on them the start of the season October time.

 

[codseeker]

as the lad mentioned above,like me i only have around 80-90 traps and maybe a 20 odd bricks against the wall with one on top and average around 15-30 a tide depends maybe double that amount when they are about,like so i freeze what i can ,only freeze biggish ones ,the small ones i dont take and gives them a chance to grow big in size each peeling cycle,i do help a couple of mates out that arnt able to access coast or rivers becos they live some distance away ,but these lads that have thousands i just wonder how they get to do them all in the a certain time of the tide or is there a couple that work them traps

 

[fishingfanatastico]

Hi mate,
Sometimes if people have 600 to 1000 normally lads i now go as the tides an hour and a half until low water and share the job between both of them in other words do half each of what their is to do and it is a lot quicker, well i now if i had a couple a hundred traps i would certainly get my mate to check half and i check the other as your back starts to break after 20 or something, also i wouldn't check them every tide if the crab wasn't on properly but personally i am happy with the few traps i've got.

 

[codseeker]

yes it is back breaking mate ,i found out for myself lol.espeacially if ya in so deep in silt and moving onto next trap, but we persavere for a few crab and its well worth it and need bait for your needs for fishing sessions,ouch me back

 

[mark]

600 to 1000! 600 to 1000! jesus titty ****ing christ, what does anyone need 600 to 1000 traps for

average tyre 2 foot in diameter... 1000 of those laid end to end is nearly half a mile

 

[BriH]

600 to 1000! 600 to 1000! jesus titty ****ing christ, what does anyone need 600 to 1000 traps for

average tyre 2 foot in diameter... 1000 of those laid end to end is nearly half a mile

I have been watchin this thread since its birth - hey i am no crab collecting expert ,yes i have my lot already frozen (well 121 to get out there jackets , but they will pop soon) - i know lads that have the tyres in the tyne , but can you imagine the mayhem that would ensue if people decided to embark on there traps - its been said earlier ,but as for as i am concerned ,if a bloke puts the time in to set them ,he should have first dabs in having a look to see whats crawled in them

BriH 00.06Hrs full of Vodka - so no lies or emotion in this post !!!!!!!!!!

 

[fishless]

anybody done a govvy job and got paid but didnt tell the taxman ....illegal

anybody smoke cheap baccy,ciggarettes.or drank cans from abroad ,, tax dodging

anybody keep and eat most of the fish they catch ,, cods scarce

anybody got a criminal record ,,,

the list could go on and on

so to have a go at crab collectors as such seems pretty mundane if you stop and think

the point im trying to make is ,, he who is totally sin free let him cast the 1st stone and make judgement but i dont know 1 single person personally that fits the criteria

im prepaired to be shot down in my arguement

 

[mark]

anybody smoke cheap baccy,ciggarettes.or drank cans from abroad ,, tax dodging

so your walking through newcastle airport with a bag full of cheap tabs and some geezer says, "oi, this is my loophole in the duty system, they're my tabs"

the whole point started not neccessarily as the legality or otherwise of dumping tyres in the river but that off the attitude of "they're my crabs" or "get away from this part of the beach cost they're "MY" traps.

the very first post in this thread declares that there are "theives" around that will look in your 'traps'

the point is to all those driven by greed and lust for crabs that they don't own a single one, till they are in their buckets, regardless of how many tyres they dump

This whole thread got me thinking and anyone that wants to spend 5 mins googling through the environment agency will see that, they are already aware and watching the situation and studies are being to done to look at the impact of crab trapping. In many estuaries there are now byelaws. Not be long before the tyne etc gets the same.

quote from an initial investigation covering tyne to berwick by the environment agency:

"Intensive recreational and commercial bait collection of lugworm, ragworm, mussels, crab, welks and periwinkle poses potential threats to marine communities in intertidal areas and disturbance to wintering birds. These include over collection for commercial purposes in the
form of collection from rocky shores, boulder turning, trampling and removal of prey for birds and disturbance to birds. Additional consequences may include remobilising contaminants locked in the substrates, navigational problems, digging conflicts with wildfowlers."

- 'potential threat', 'remobilising contaminants'

so they are aware its not as innocent as you all seem to think.

So back to the guy threatening my son, for having the audacity to look in a tyre on the beach in North Shields. I walked away from it with him, mainly because there is no way I am going to start brawling with some ****wit in front of my kids. But what If I had and the police get involved. How much more attention do you want to draw to yourselves before the authorities realise there is a mini industry taking place here and they can make money from it and regulate it the same way as the rest of the fishing industry. Maybe I should go back at low tide on my own and look in his 'traps' see if he gancies threatening me. It still makes my **** boil when I think about it

one day, one of these over protective collectors is gonna threaten someone, who won't back down. The police get involved, the PTA, The EA and then you're all screwed, all because of the greed of "MINE MINE MINE"

 

[The man from the prom]

crabs

crabs

fishless i totally agree with what u say also some of the lads who do the traps are on the dole because they cant get decent jobs wage etc being on the poverty line aint nice ive been there and to put food on the table and clothe your kids if it means macking a few bob else where good luck to them i will help these lads out and tell them who to beaware of wnen selling there crabs grasses and the likes lower than low better things r pulled out of thier traps

 

[insanojackson]

fishless i totally agree with what u say also some of the lads who do the traps are on the dole because they cant get decent jobs wage etc being on the poverty line aint nice ive been there and to put food on the table and clothe your kids if it means macking a few bob else where good luck to them i will help these lads out and tell them who to beaware of wnen selling there crabs grasses and the likes lower than low better things r pulled out of thier traps

There are plenty of jobs out there for anyone who WANTS a job to get one.

Yes some of them are a bit crap but you have got to start somewhere, work at the bottom then move up!

 

[Defective]

I applaude you for walking away with your son. I would have done the same but then went back without my son on the next low tide and see if he fancied trying to stick his fork in me.
Not saying traps are open game for everyone but to threaten a kid!!!!
Who the fook do these people think they are.

 

[The man from the prom]

crabs

crabs

i totaly agree with u defective that was a bad crack the lads i no who have traps wouldt go round threating kids ya cant tar everyone with the same brush