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[ryanlee]

if you look at the 1st post it was to inform members that the cod bann for commecial anglers was up and that this is what happens.
whether the guy had broken the law or not it was started as a thread of infomation.the licence for shore anglers is creeping up and we need to have our say,a golden mile or 2 would suit not just us shore anglers but the commercial lads.they can still make a living from 1-2 miles out.
we can then try to catch some fish from the shore.

 

[davem2005]

Scottyjim,
I can only agree with you ...but AS ANGLERS WE CAN ONLY WORK WITHIN THE RULES SET ...

Ok ...so the commercials set those rules...they have done that for the last 110 years.

I have done the best I can to follow up a fellow member of the forums concerns and as a direct result anglers have got the best result we can hope for even though I had personally hoped for more.

If anglers take up the offer to respond to the consultation to get those laws changed , then perhaps people like me who care about the future of our sport may stand a better chance to see a fairer share of our seas.

But until other anglers make their voices heard we will just have to put up with the minor victories we get.

There were a few other things mentioned by the fisheries protection officer but this is not the place for me to post them as I am well aware of the potential legal implications of posting hearsay!

Cheers
Dave

 

[scott m]

its a joke that lyk. some one should get out on there boat n try sink them or cut the dans off them. the wouldnt de it again

 

[ryanlee]

its not about causing damage or injury its about standing up for what we as shore anglers really want,a bigger slice of the cake and why not.
a few of the anglers on this site have expressed the views good or bad.
the rest have looked at it as the visit counter say over 3000.
why do the rest not post,could be a million and one reasons.
however when it is ended and the licence is in force its then too late to speak your mind,there are always the select few who will stand up for what we actually want.please lads/lasses at least acknoledge the fact people are trying to do something about it.if your not interested please say so.at least we no what were up against.i personally will fight to the bitter end its called pride and passion.
will no tommorrow ( thursday ) if the 8th march is a set date for the anglers meeting.

 

[davem2005]

its a joke that lyk. some one should get out on there boat n try sink them or cut the dans off them. the wouldnt de it again

A well thought out theory that scott m...but in the event of no one reading this owning a U boat rigged for collision can i suuggest we all email Captain Kirk, demand he sets his phasers to sink mode and ask him to get them. It makes about as much sense.

In the meantime while we are waiting for that to happen the best result we can hope for is to use the existing laws and enforcement authority to try and put a stop to what was a percieved offence...no proof...just what someone saw combined with what someone heard.

Not good grounds to base a case for a legal defense of a charge of criminal damage or piracy.

This thread has been one of the longest and most viewed on the shore thread for a long while. Add to that the number of pm's that have been involved in the background and it all adds up to a very constructive thread.

Many issues have been raised within the thread that will be followed up ...one of the main ones is the contactability of the department who are supposed to enforce this alleged offence. Its become clear that once you contact them they are prepared to act ...but for the day to day angler this is like trying to get an ex directory number from directory enquieries.

The issues raised here will be taken forward and attempts will be maade to get things changed.

Personally I think the thread has run its coarse and anglers have got a result...time to close it or let it fade into the distance. The issues raised are being discussed elsewhere in more relevant threads.

Cheers
Dave

 

[Falcone]

its a joke that lyk. some one should get out on there boat n try sink them or cut the dans off them. the wouldnt de it again

What a stupid remark....

ill agree with Dave i think its best this thread is closed before more idiotic comments are posted.

 

[gazzawill]

Thankyou Tim, ,my sentiments exactly, Especially the point regarding the dumping of fish after competitions. Its funny how some are keen to emphasize the dumping of fish from commercials, but not the shore. the amount of fish caught in competitions just to weigh in for a prize then dumped in the bin when they get home... post by falcone



you are right mate but all fish i catch if i cant use them for eating they go back alot of shore fishermen do th same so its finger pointing everywhere stu ..

reading the reply from defra(on this site) why should a shore angler pay his/her liecence fee to improve and create more small boat slipsways ?????
(shore/boat angling 2 difrent things)
im sure small boat angling isnt shore angling errrmmmmmm ?????

 

[ryanlee]

Meeting Now Confirmed As The 8th March Bankhouse Newbiggin 1st Floor Concert Room.

This Will Probably Be Your Last Chance To Have Your Say And Listen To Others Views.



8th March 7.30pm Bankhouse Newbiggin 1st Floor Concert Room

 

[ScottyJim]

DaveM2005 has been doing some sterling work on this thread trying to get through the beurocracy for illegal fishing. Don't know if this has been posted before, but it is a link to a freephone number where you can report possible cases of illegal gill netting,

Sea Fishing and Sea Angling Online Magazine

Cheers.

 

[LeonRoskilly]

DaveM2005 has been doing some sterling work on this thread trying to get through the beurocracy for illegal fishing. Don't know if this has been posted before, but it is a link to a freephone number where you can report possible cases of illegal gill netting,

Sea Fishing and Sea Angling Online Magazine

Cheers.

More Information and Advice at:

Is it Legal?

 

[davem2005]

Thanks scottyjim for the link...and Leon.

The article on the sacn site has a section on Fixed Nets. That is exactly what is (and now hopefully was)taking place in this instance. Its a hard one to prove but to quote the fisheries officer "We are now aware their may be a problem and will be keeping a close eye on the situation,"

I was aware of the EA hotline number but did not realise it would also get through to the Sea Fisheries Protection. I will contact the Sea Fisheries Committee and ask why they dont at least have that number on their website.

I also think that that with the authors permission ( I think I know who it is ) that the sacn article would be an ideal "article" or have its own navigation button over there on the left <<<<.

But perhaps the contact number could be put at the top of the page not the bottom...over to you Elton on that one

Cheers
Dave

 

[rodbender2]

Dave as far as im aware the fixed nets regulations only apply from 1st April until 30th October where gill nets must have 6metres above the head rope at any state of the tide .There are no regulations north of the tyne during the winter months according to the sea fishery officer i spoke to .

 

[davem2005]

Rodbender,

The bylaws are a minefield with different rules for different areas...for the area concerned you have the dates wrong...and you have the headline setting wrong.
I am not getting at you ...just trying to point out how confusing this all is. Clear information IS NOT AVAILABLE TO US...unless you want to spend hours on end studying it.

This confusion comes partly from the fact that the law was are set by an organisation set up 110 years ago and last reviewed in 1965.

No wonder we dont know what going on...

You have a pm

 

[rodbender2]

Dave what are the dates for the area north of the tyne and how close to land can the netters come without breaking the bylaws during the winter months.

 

[ScottyJim]

Dave. Can only agree 1000% with you. Since this thread has started I've begun to search around for information on the net. It's a complete mess.
I always wondered what DEFRA was basing their assumptions on, that anglers were willing to pay for a licence to fish. Maybe I found out.

http://statistics.defra.gov.uk/esg/reports/seaangling/onepage.pdf
DEFRA Economics & Statistics - Economic Research

They have obviously put out some kind of questionnaire in the past where they’ve asked the usual questions “Are you prepared to pay more if you can catch bigger, more species, more quantity fish?” etc. etc. , and those that have replied saying “Yes”, have proverbially dropped us in it. Here are some choice quotes,

“The choice experiments indicated that all types of angler were willing to pay more for larger fish (£0.22 per 1% increase in size) and for greater diversity in the catch (£11.38 to catch different species from those usually caught). However, only shore anglers were willing to pay for more fish (£0.81 per extra fish caught).”

And

“ Anglers catch, on average, between 5 (shore anglers) and 13 (boat anglers) fish per trip and retain 32 to 39% of their catch. “.

Shame on you shore anglers willing to pay more, for more fish, and you catching five fish every trip as it is, and even worse, keeping two in-size fish every trip as well. This is the type of information that DEFRA is basing their strategy on. It makes you weep.

 

[ryanlee]

just had a message that the boat owner apparently knows who iam and is pretty ****ed of,threats were mentioned and the like.
just a word of warning lads.be very carefull when posting news like this as this sort of thing generally happens.
hope he has the right name or some unsuspecting angler may get a little supprised.
as for me well lets see how far it goes,whether its the truth or someone trying to be intimerdating,unfortunatley it doesnt work with me.

 

[LeonRoskilly]

Since this thread has started I've begun to search around for information on the net. It's a complete mess.

For information on the value of RSA, start here:

Worth of Recreational Sea Angling

 

[davem2005]

Dave what are the dates for the area north of the tyne and how close to land can the netters come without breaking the bylaws during the winter months.

The dates vary by area and are in the pm I sent you.

Fixed nets need a minimum ditance between the headline and the net which varies from area to area and directly affects the distance out thy have to be set at as a result.

The only laws covering trawlers that I can find is one that says ...

" if you can here an odd scraping noise up the pointed end we are probably too close to land"

although there are laws covering the size of boats which differ in each region.

 

[Red5]

I fished Howick last night Dave, got bored after two hours and had had a pretty ****ty day , was in a foul fettle so decided to go home and a have alove affair with a bottle of Rouge. A boat was sitting approx 3 miles offshore for the duration that I was down there and a mate of mine fished there the rest of the night and caught the only fish that was weighed in by the club ( a cod of 1lb 15oz) and he reckoned the boat was there most of the night....Anyway that's besides the point....it could have been owt. BUT. another lad I know was fishing a mark a wee bit further south and got a phone call from someone in the know asking them if they were fishing that particular mark as they could see a headlamp and knew this lad sometimes fishes there...The lad said yup that's me...to which the reply came. 'well you're wasting your time, they've been netting all around there since the sea settled.....Any Chance of pushing for a Golden 5 miles?????

 

[davem2005]

Red5,
Its something we will have to live with. At the moment there is cod quota available and as such commercials are out there after it.

In an ideal world there would be plenty for everyone but until such times return we can only push to the government to make this happen.

Mark gave me an excellent website where you can trackboats in realtime and see what is going on. All boats over 14 metres are tracked so it makes intresting viewing if you think a particular vessel is a problem. Gives you name and lots of other details. Mark tells me you can even send em a imsi message

Will post link later when I am on the pc that has it.

Cheers
Dave