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LeonRoskilly
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The proposals for a sea angling licence are embedded within the RSA strategy which is now out for public consultation until 31st March.
As well as the licence and bag limits, the draft RSA strategy also includes many other issues which could be of benefit to anglers such as the Golden Mile etc
What remains in the strategy, what is taken out, and what new stuff might also be included will be influenced by the responses that are made (and remember that Sea Fisheries Committees, commercial fishing interests, environmental organisations etc will also be responding).
If not enough anglers back the things that will be good for us, and too few question the things that will not be to our benefit, we'll be well and truly stuffed.
Because once this strategy is in place, that's what the Government will be concentrating upon implementing, and all the talking will be over.
Moaning about things once the opportunity to influence the direction has passed will just be a waste of hot air.
So have a look at: Defra, UK - Consultations - Consultation on a Recreational Sea Angling Strategy for England and make sure that your mates, angling club, federation etc all respond with their views on the issues covered and anything you feel should be addressed which has been missed.
Leon I hope this helps. After the last thread on the Licence I have written and received a reply from our local MP Alan Beith ,a non committal reply about not being mentioned in the Queens speech this year so it will not make any progress this year. I think he will be getting another letter asking for his view and commitment to the RSA voters in Northumberland. I have also written to DEFRA on behalf of my club in Amble and again received a prompt reply, to this end Amble Amble Sea Angling Club is now a stake holder and actively taking part in the consultation. The only sea angling club north of Whitby I believe. ??? All the commercials from Blythe Amble Boulmer and Seahouses's have signed up? My club would like to invite on a date to be decided (SOON) representatives of other North East clubs, tackle trade and commercials to an open meeting, this is just an idea and if you are interested please PM me. The time line is very tight as we have to get our response back to DEFRA by the 31st of March 2008. I am hoping that Dave Morton will be speaking and LEON I know it is a long way but you would be more than welcome and as a man of Kent myself you are welcome to my spare room. It is getting past time to moan we must act now before it is to late.
PS don't forget the Amble Open Sunday 24th February 9am to 1pm
PS don't forget the Amble Open Sunday 24th February 9am to 1pm
LeonRoskilly
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Loopy, Good on You
If only more anglers would take the time to write to those with influence 'they' would be taking a lot more notice of us, and be less inclined to kick us in the ***** when they think that they can get away with it.
When writing to MPs, it's well worth asking how many anglers they think they have in their constituency, how they think they will vote, and why?
It's probably never crossed their minds that they could be looking at a substantial number of voters who might be pretty P888* off with them for their failing to deliver anything that would be of benefit to a huge number of people overall.
I'll bear in mind your invite to come up there, but if I can't make it, I've every confidence in Dave Morton to represent SACN in the North East
It's worth bearing in mind too that the DEFRA team responsible for the RSA strategy consultation have said they would be willing to attend any significant gathering of anglers before the closing date, to discuss all of the issues in the strategy - might be worth giving them a call.
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mark
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The English Disease!
we like to grumble about things, but tend not to want to be proactive about fighting against things. Lots and Lots of people are moaning about this, but how many are actively trying to change it??
Its something this government have exploited for years
so small minority kick up a fuss, get a bit of lip service then the government will probably do what the hell they like, then afterwards the majority go back to moaning about it
take a leaf out of the french book - be revolting!!
But thats just not the 'Done thing' in the English psyche
So for all the 'won't pay' people out there, FFS do something about it while you've got the chance if you feel that strongly
we like to grumble about things, but tend not to want to be proactive about fighting against things. Lots and Lots of people are moaning about this, but how many are actively trying to change it??
Its something this government have exploited for years
so small minority kick up a fuss, get a bit of lip service then the government will probably do what the hell they like, then afterwards the majority go back to moaning about it
take a leaf out of the french book - be revolting!!
But thats just not the 'Done thing' in the English psyche
So for all the 'won't pay' people out there, FFS do something about it while you've got the chance if you feel that strongly
Red5
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Excellent Idea Loopy, and if I remeber rightly one we discussed that cold blank night on Foxton beach. I will try and I mean try to convince the members of our club that this is a good idea and will benefit us for years for a few hours of listening!
If you get me a date for the meeting I will speak to the editor of the gazette and get him to come along or send a reporter so that we can get more people behind us and some positive press for us anglers.
Aye Leon...I can tell there was definitely a bit of the Brad Pitt about you when you were younger, I'll bet 10lb mullett weren't the only things you were reeling in lol!
If you get me a date for the meeting I will speak to the editor of the gazette and get him to come along or send a reporter so that we can get more people behind us and some positive press for us anglers.
Aye Leon...I can tell there was definitely a bit of the Brad Pitt about you when you were younger, I'll bet 10lb mullett weren't the only things you were reeling in lol!
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davem2005
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Ryanlee.
There isn't a standard letter as such. The letter to your MP is really just enquiring as to the MP's views on the introduction of an angling license and the changes proposed in general by the Marine Bill. He will be either for or against the Marine bill, however he may be unaware of the numbers of his constituents who are anglers. We need support from as many MP's as possible.
I will dig out some examples for you over the weekend.
Cheers
Dave
There isn't a standard letter as such. The letter to your MP is really just enquiring as to the MP's views on the introduction of an angling license and the changes proposed in general by the Marine Bill. He will be either for or against the Marine bill, however he may be unaware of the numbers of his constituents who are anglers. We need support from as many MP's as possible.
I will dig out some examples for you over the weekend.
Cheers
Dave
Ryanlee I used WriteToThem - Email or fax your Councillor, MP, MEP, MSP or Welsh, NI, London Assembly Member for free it will find your local MP for you as well. they also e-mail you back in about 4 or 5 weeks to see if you have a reply if not they will lobby the MP as to not replying. Not knowing your location or politics of your local MP, I just stated I was writing on behalf of the membership of ? and represented there interest in the proposed Marine Bill.
What was there view on RSA paying a licence fee and in there view what needs to be done to conserve fish stocks for all.
Re DEFRA E-MAIL Nicola Clarke [email protected] and just state you represent X or even as an individual and having read the consultation document wish to be considered a stakeholder I also gave them a postal address. If EVERYBODY DID THIS IN THE NEXT WEEK DEFRA would know the North East is very interested and may be come and speak to us.
Any body lucky enough to get an early copy of this month sea Anger, read the article on page 15 by John Woodlock an environmental Scientist about commercial fishing and conservation, mind blowing. Guess what every letter is about and one or two other articles.
What was there view on RSA paying a licence fee and in there view what needs to be done to conserve fish stocks for all.
Re DEFRA E-MAIL Nicola Clarke [email protected] and just state you represent X or even as an individual and having read the consultation document wish to be considered a stakeholder I also gave them a postal address. If EVERYBODY DID THIS IN THE NEXT WEEK DEFRA would know the North East is very interested and may be come and speak to us.
Any body lucky enough to get an early copy of this month sea Anger, read the article on page 15 by John Woodlock an environmental Scientist about commercial fishing and conservation, mind blowing. Guess what every letter is about and one or two other articles.
just sent a simple letter with the proposed stratergy by defra for the recomendation for a licence for recreational sea-angling.
1 copy to 2 local councillors,mr stewart and mr gobin
1 copy to the local mp dennis murphy
and 1 copy to 2 lords in the area.lord whitty and lord rooker.
i have also asked all 5 to send a copy to the european member steven hughes.
so lets see what happens next.also registered myself and club with defra to become a contsutsee.
1 copy to 2 local councillors,mr stewart and mr gobin
1 copy to the local mp dennis murphy
and 1 copy to 2 lords in the area.lord whitty and lord rooker.
i have also asked all 5 to send a copy to the european member steven hughes.
so lets see what happens next.also registered myself and club with defra to become a contsutsee.
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davem2005
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Well if nothing else comes of this thread ( which hopefully it will ) I would call that post a result!.
Just needs another 10,000 people to do the same and fishing will be cushtie in 5 years time
Cheers
Dave
davem2005
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At the last meeting I went to in London defra made it very clear that they are keen to speak to anglers on the beaches/piers or wherever they can before the march deadline.
Organisations such as the SACN have come under some criticism from some for being unelected and not representing the views of grass roots anglers. What they have done is provided a list of things "they" would like to see happen to the decision makers (defra ) and as a direct result of that Defra have now put that list of suggestions out to consultation by anglers. It hasn't gone to the commercials, dredgers, rspb, wwf etc...they want anglers views and not just the views of those who have voiced their opinions in the past.
Its interesting to note that from humble beginnings 3 years ago where 4 or 5 angling organisations were lobbying the government...at the last meeting I attended just before the RSA consultation was launched there were 21 different angling organisations turned up and all had their say direct to the decision makers.
If you want Defra to turn up at your club meeting it can probably be arranged...well at least thats they promised they would be prepared to do...but then they promised they would increase the bass MLS and we all know where that went.
If you would like me to try to arrange this with Defra I would be happy to do so for any organisation...just PM me and I will see what I can do but remember time is running out.
Cheers
Dave
ok lads i intend to speak to all the angling clubs from the tyne upto alnwick to ask there members to attend a meeting hopefully at the bankhouse this being central and large enough to accomadate quite afew anglers .
the aim is to advise the anglers what defra has intended to do with regards to a shore angling licence.what i need to no is how many on this site would be willing to attend ( date to be arranged )probs fri or sat night.
hopefully i can get someone from defra to attend along with others from the national and northern fed.hopefully davem will also attend and give an indepth speech.any tackle dealers that would also attend would also be great.
if anyone has any other ideas then please feel free to put a post up.
also if any one has the time to contact clubs from the south of the tyne that would be great.i will speak to alan stewart at the bankhouse to see what date is available,hopefully around the 1st or 2nd of feb.if anyone has the contact details for defra could they post them so i can contact them regarding the meeting unless some else could arrange this.i will ask the mps in the areas to attend along with local papers with the angling correspondents.
( alan is that ok for you to attend.)
well lads hope to see you all soon .
the aim is to advise the anglers what defra has intended to do with regards to a shore angling licence.what i need to no is how many on this site would be willing to attend ( date to be arranged )probs fri or sat night.
hopefully i can get someone from defra to attend along with others from the national and northern fed.hopefully davem will also attend and give an indepth speech.any tackle dealers that would also attend would also be great.
if anyone has any other ideas then please feel free to put a post up.
also if any one has the time to contact clubs from the south of the tyne that would be great.i will speak to alan stewart at the bankhouse to see what date is available,hopefully around the 1st or 2nd of feb.if anyone has the contact details for defra could they post them so i can contact them regarding the meeting unless some else could arrange this.i will ask the mps in the areas to attend along with local papers with the angling correspondents.
( alan is that ok for you to attend.)
well lads hope to see you all soon .
times running out lads at least you can have your say and get some answers before its to late,its up to you now to stand up for what you want.
its no good later on shouting off that there should of been something done,
well its upto you now,like ive said the ball is rolling so get your name down.
its no good later on shouting off that there should of been something done,
well its upto you now,like ive said the ball is rolling so get your name down.
Red5
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Where's the Bankhouse????
I thought Les was going to arrange one for us Northerly clubs, as I would very much doubt you will get members travelling very far for a meeting.
As far as many people I know are concerned, they either don't know about the DEFRA response, they don't want to know and they don't care. UNBELIEVABLE! At least this/these meetings will enlighten those I have have just mentioned
I thought Les was going to arrange one for us Northerly clubs, as I would very much doubt you will get members travelling very far for a meeting.
As far as many people I know are concerned, they either don't know about the DEFRA response, they don't want to know and they don't care. UNBELIEVABLE! At least this/these meetings will enlighten those I have have just mentioned
davem2005
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Sorry to bump this back up but I recieved a phone call from a fisheries officer today with regard to this thread.
He assured me they have looked into this and now know the boat involved. They will be keeping an eye on things over the coming months and are planning to do more weekend patrols over the next few weeks to monitor the situation.
They are also going to contact the skipper to make sure he is aware of the regulations and sticks to them.
So if you see danns out there again the chances are they are set perfectly legally because only a fool would break the rules when they know they are being watched.
The best we can do for now...so support the golden mile initiative...you know it makes sense
Cheers
Dave
He assured me they have looked into this and now know the boat involved. They will be keeping an eye on things over the coming months and are planning to do more weekend patrols over the next few weeks to monitor the situation.
They are also going to contact the skipper to make sure he is aware of the regulations and sticks to them.
So if you see danns out there again the chances are they are set perfectly legally because only a fool would break the rules when they know they are being watched.
The best we can do for now...so support the golden mile initiative...you know it makes sense
Cheers
Dave
jimmy
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Daves info one post up. Dave, does the fishery officer’s response make any sense to you? Would it not make more sense not to tell this skipper he is being watched? If he was doing something illegal he could then be caught and prosecuted. It’s a wee bit like the police informing a suspected burglar that they would be watching a specific house, for the next two weeks, just in case someone burgled it. The burglar of course just goes somewhere else, or waits until the two weeks are over. It’s crazy. If his fishing was illegal, he’s still got all of his gear to carry on and do it again, as soon as he thinks he’s in the clear.
