Alreet mate, just seen the message, I'll defo keep that one hush hush mate Ne worries there and thanks a million for the secret info much much appreciated that mate, I'll be giving it a go soon, been on the north side of the Tyne at the basin 3 times in last fortnight with nothing over 1lb, I'll let u know how I get on mate, do u know if big or small tide is preferable distance to cast etc? Tight lines totty and again many thanks 