guides to blank

[BIGDAVE]

This buging me i have been puting 8 guides plus tip ring on my 15-4in TT-Rs
now thinking of going 6 guides plus tip this will have two efects
1 softern the blank
2 speed the recovery of the tip.
so is it a good idear or not if you softern the blank you just bend it more
more bend= more load ?.
the faster tip recovery less friction on the line going through the tip ring
less ring less friction from line slap????
what do think and why

[will powell]

defo softening the blank
defo less friction

load the blank slowly dave, keep y tip down longer for x tip
remember slow in fast out

run a polishing cloth thru y rings , get em gleaming

[captain buba]

why not just buy a bb not meaning to sound funny but everone wants ttrs softer why they are what they are if you soften 1 up its a kompresser sport or bb just trying to make life harder mate thats why century have full range.. hope ive helped and not upset ya

[BIGDAVE]

not looking for a softer rod
after more profomance by less friction
trust me i can put a bend in a TT-R and WR300s
in fact the BB is to soft
I have never found a rod i can not bend yet
FOR fishing the factory ring set up is fine
but there is room to make the rod cast better
Dannys rods dont have a factory ring settings but they built for casting not fishing.

[will powell]

recieved an email from mr centurion a few weeks ago regarding big dannys tools .standard ttr although longer than standard ,for different weights, IE 125/150gm etc nowt SPECIAL about them, a few exrta wraps of carbon around the spiggot and thats it .

BB,s are a good rod, designed for the easy throwing over head thump for which most anglers do. it goes a long way. not really a tourno-casters tool.

Anyone can bend a rod , but....arc ,plane and trajectory are major factors to get distance

[will powell]

I,m Still trying to understand how it works!!!!!!!!!!

keep it simple is my moto

[Chris_Hughes]

As mentioned by others on the thread, the positives are :-

Less surface to surface friction between the running line and the rings.
Less weight, so faster recovery and less line slap in the initial stages of the cast, ultimately resulting in less friction.

Do less rings soften the blank? The only reason that I can see that a blank gets stiffened by a rod ring is the bracing effect that the ring and its whipping (or tape) gives over a small length of the blank. How significant is the stiffening? I would set the rod up with the butt on the kitchen table, weighted down to hold it in place, tie some line around the butt an then thread it through the rings and tie a weight to it and measure the rods deflection. Do this for the same rod using the same weight with 8 rings plus tip and 6 (or less) rings plus tip, and see if the deflection is different.

If there is a softening effect by less rings then you have to see if the softer rod setup which gives a shorter effective length but less friction during the cast is better than the stiffer rod set up which gives a longer effective length but greater friction. The bottom line here is there is no easy answer, and at this point I would say suck it and see (try it out).

Also, if there is a softening effect, could some local stiffness by added back to the blank in some way. For example by tapping on some thin strips of carbon fibre at various locations along the blank. This would add minimum weight to the blank, but could stiffen things back up to its previous level (or more).

Ultimately for a particular rod and reel setup, the majority of distance is down to good technique with fine tuning of the equipment only improving thing marginally. But sometimes as we see on the tournament field, the differences in casting distance between competitors is so close that a 1% improvement in distance due to optimum equipment setup will mean two or three places on the results for that day.

[john/r]

hi dave why not use a 13ft 6ins rod and put 5 rings on or why not put put line thro blank and use no rings

[BIGDAVE]

tryed a 15ft+ rod on 6rings and a tip ring the rod felt the same apart from the fast lock at the end .
I do not have a short stick john .
as for casting a interline type rod you dont see them does that tell you owt
JOHN you can always come to the next comp and show me what you mean.
but a 226.0.7 on the 75g shows it has a point.

[captain buba]

soory dave mate ive jumped straight in head first not realising yous lot are casters,and a lot more technical adjustment is needed so i'll butt out mate

[john/r]

dave that is one long rod you are using there never heard of anyone using a one that long before .when you say 15ft 5ins is that to btm of left hand . casting comps they are very good but just dont appeal to me at the minute if i want to up my distance i should realy cause i am crap at the minute i only have to see bazz or steve they have told me anytime they will help me . i have used long rods many times but not sure at all which is the right way 13ft max or 14ft max or does it depend on your size

[oldchukka]

tryed a 15ft+ rod on 6rings and a tip ring the rod felt the same apart from the fast lock at the end .
I do not have a short stick john .
as for casting a interline type rod you dont see them does that tell you owt
JOHN you can always come to the next comp and show me what you mean.
but a 226.0.7 on the 75g shows it has a point.

sounds very much to me that you,ve asked a question ---- then answered it dave,

[john/r]

hi again dave, will tried the new prototype zziplex turboflex injection on sunday swung it and whooshhhh it went out of sight said it was amazing and at 13ft instead of his long ttr.the amount of times i have tried long rods then gone back to casting 13ft rod and been very suprised at distances thought they would of been well down but no loss of distance at all. i prefer 8 intermediate rings on all my rods plus tip ring just my preferance. anyway i am going into training with bazz and steve this week i,ll be back, have you got the brownnnnnnnnnnnnn ale ready for next comp bazz plus a crate of guiness for stevey boy

anybody want a ttr buildt real good condition 230quid

[BIGDAVE]

sounds very much to me that you,ve asked a question ---- then answered it dave,

NOBODY came up with the answer to the QUESTION so i stripped a TT-R
AND retaped the guides and tryed it for myself and happy with my findings
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JOHN the 15.4 is from butt cap to tip and i have no probs pulling the rod round
infact i sometimes come round to fast and dont get the lead outside the tip
to cast 50g on this set up you need speed, to load the blank.
thinking of geting a longer one if century will make me a longer butt.

[john/r]

hi there captain,come on board i aint techno minded just join in whatever no prob mind sound a bit techno but it aint mate just boys with toys.

dave so you have your reel right on btm of rod then 15ft 5ins thats why i was askng were the btm of left hand was .ie i describe my rod lth to the btm of my left hand thats my casting lth.