0.25mm line

[john/r]

hi martin, i forgot to mention my last few years on inspection i started to use an elastic band for measuring tie two knots at each end and use the knots for measuring you never find i job wrong just the way they like it it dos,nt stop the jobs going out does it if you send all them corrections out and concessions they dont like it. i used to work with a lad called bobby farina worse than me for drink ,he used to fall asleep during the day on the inspection tables with the drink off the night before he used to have about 10pints on a monday afternoon before a nightshift on the night. i used to show problems with jobs to inspection foreman ie plug gauges not going thro holes he used to get mallet and knock it thro and would say there you are it does go thro great is,nt it

[Chris_Hughes]

I can't see what the problem is with thinner lines. UKSF rules state minimum line diameters for various lead sizes, with no + or - tolerance (note these rules may be different for other organisations).

So if you want to use 0.35mm dia line in a weight class which states that a lower diameter line can be used then do it, you would be within UKSF rules.

In a sport where the object of the exercise is to cast a lead as far as possible and where generally, casting distances increase as line diameters decrease, then any reduction in the minimum line diameters for each weight class is a positive move. Bring it on is what I say.

[BAZZ B]

hellooooooooooo will got north east tackle to order in some .26 .28 .31 daiwa should be in any day now i can let you have a fill mate if your struggling

NE tackle have got it in now will

[john/r]

got any 35 in then

[BAZZ B]

yes hoggins

[john/r]

hoggins / dont you start been nice and quite on here

[mswtoss]

I can't see what the problem is with thinner lines. UKSF rules state minimum line diameters for various lead sizes, with no + or - tolerance (note these rules may be different for other organisations).

So if you want to use 0.35mm dia line in a weight class which states that a lower diameter line can be used then do it, you would be within UKSF rules.

In a sport where the object of the exercise is to cast a lead as far as possible and where generally, casting distances increase as line diameters decrease, then any reduction in the minimum line diameters for each weight class is a positive move. Bring it on is what I say.

tell you what chris, i'll suggest an excellent way to get easy distance improvement,y dont you all just selotape a leader to your reel mate,no mainline at all. then just measure the crack off,dont even have to reel any line onto the reel????/ great idea.
you may say thats daft,probably is but no more dafter than using light lines in wot is supposed to be SURFCASTIN!!!!!!!!
why do you honestly think people like neil kelland,paul kerry,neil mc kellow to an extent really packed it in . because using lite lines to make it easier to cast takes the real skill out of it.
last time i went to the UKSF lots of casters seemed more interested in casting little bits of plastic or plugs as they called them.
i'm seiously thinkin of suggesting castin a 3AAA waggler on 2lb line as the new light line event for the UKSF. THE PLUGS MAY BE GETTIN 2 HEAVY NOW???//
wot does the S stand 4 again????????
ITS BETTER TO BURN OUT THAN TO FADE AWAY!!!!!!!!!

[Chris_Hughes]

Martin,

I'm not aware of any rules or regulations in surfcasting that state you must use heavy weight line and weights, indeed, there are times and places where lighter tackle adds to the pleasure and is possibly more effective.

Fishing line technology is continually improving and stronger / thinner lines are readily available (if you can afford them), So it is only natural for the changes to be reflected in the rules of tournament surfcasting, although the use of ultra thin (and strong) braid line is not approved for tournament use yet.

Any changes to line thickness is to the advantage (or maybe disadvantage) of everyone who competes at a particular weight class. So the big hitters on a heavy line can use the lighter line and be even bigger hitters, it is not a formula which allows the less able casters to catch up with the better casters, but a formula which allows everybody to move up a notch. Thinner lines can also be a disadvantage as well, requiring smoother reel control and better line lay etc., so it doesn't necessarily dumb thing down but requires improved skills to benefit from the reduced line diameter.

Like you, I am somewhat perplexed by the inclusion of plug and fly casting into tournament surfcasting, but there again both methods of fishing are gaining popularity with sea fishermen. So perhaps the "Surfcasting" part of the UKSF name needs re-branding to something more generic which includes all types of "fishing" casting.

I don't know why the likes of Neil Kelland, Paul Kerry and Neil McKellow stopped competing at casting tournaments, but I doubt it was because they though the introduction of lighter lines would enable other competitors to catch up. and they most certainly would not admit it if it was the case.

Anyway, that's enough of the pros and cons debate on light line and it seems we may have to agree to disagree. So, how are you and are you going to (or have you) dust off your tournament casting gear and get out on the field again ?

[Rodaspire]

Like you, I am somewhat perplexed by the inclusion of plug and fly casting into tournament surfcasting, but there again both methods of fishing are gaining popularity with sea fishermen. So perhaps the "Surfcasting" part of the UKSF name needs re-branding to something more generic which includes all types of "fishing" casting.

Plugs, spinning and fly fishing to me have had more relevance in surf fishing than bait casting ever has. I have caught more fish using these methods than I ever have with bait. Being able to cast a lure as far as possible has caught me fish when everyone else on the beach blanked. I guess it all depends on your definition of the word "surfcasting"

[john/r]

is it not because of the weather that we get up here we need to get baits a fair way out during daylight hours hence the need for 6 and 5 ounce leads maybe once we were the cod country and yes the cod stocks have gone down but i still prefer to try to catch cod and most use big baits to try to catch them thats why we cast heavier leads ,i have never tried catching cod say off the likes of seaham hall beach with fly gear or spinners maybe it might work but for me i will stick to what i do

[mswtoss]

ok you all win.can see many of points put across by chris.no problemwith wot other people get fromit but me personally,i put myself in bracket of why i wanted to tournie cast was to give me the advantage if to put a 5,6,7,or8oz lead out a fair way with 15lb line minimum on clean beaches. the fish have dwindled as has my desire to seafish and the casting has gone a way which i personally disagree with and thats why a lot of people ,including me have lost interestin casting. at this moment in time chris, cant see me ever tournie castin seriously in future,i enjoy my match fishing (thats carp and silverfish not sea )too much at moment and cant see that changing in future.