the witch is dead

[The Jester]

Bo-lox on this thread newcastle and sunderland are agreeing with each other, i just come back
from surrey, and not many like thatcher.
So that leaves torry v labour, and we live in the real world so im anti torry all the way!!
If you dont like the thread, then dont read and comment on it. Simple

I'm an ex miner, my father was a miner and my grand father before him, i lost a years wages and hate her as much as you for the destruction she caused to the north east mining villages especially Easington where i lived for 50 years, and is called the most deprived place in the UK, so i've lived in the real world a long time !!!!!....but i said my peace at the beginning of this post, now its just boring......Thats me finished with this thread the more i read it the more it annoys me.......

[neil9629]

Ok, fair play to you, i misunderstood, im sorry for that.

[easyfish1]

chris,

I've read this thread from start to finish, but never commented on it..

leave it be mate....


most of them have no idea what they are talking about...and the rest aren't old enough to know...

[The Jester]

Ok, fair play to you, i misunderstood, im sorry for that.

No probs

[neil9629]

chris,

I've read this thread from start to finish, but never commented on it..

leave it be mate....


most of them have no idea what they are talking about...and the rest aren't old enough to know...

So whats your take on things oh wise one ?

[billynobaits]

Well,as far as i'm concerned,Mrs T closing Pickys buggered me,literally,
as i had to seek work as a rent boy,just to make ends meet,which they
often did while i was sorting two clients at the same time.
I also had to buy a fair amount of wimmens claithes and cosmetics,just
to take the masculine edge off,when somebody fancied a ladyboy.
I did make some serious money,the trade off being a ring like a jam
doughnut,but it got me through those difficult times.

[big_sean]

Which one went on strike during the war then ?????

Whilst true men were fighting for thier country

Miners pay
In 1944 underground miners were earning £5 per day and their wage tribunal refused to raise piece rates. When the Government announced that the national average industrial manual wage had reached £6 10s, miners came out on unofficial strike in South Wales, Kent, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Durham, and Scotland - some 220,000 in South Wales and Yorkshire alone. With the invasion of France looming, the press attacked the miners.

A South Wales miner of 30 years standing commented “... The argument that a strike would let our soldiers down was countered by men who had brothers and sons in the forces who, so they claimed, had urged them to fight and maintain their customs or privileges. They argued that they must retain something for those absent ones to come back to, while the suggestion that we should wait for further negotiations was swamped by the reply that we had already waited a long while...”

In fact the Government was compelled to intervene, restored differentials, and the miners won the highest minimum wage in Britain. Their average earnings ranked 81st in 1938, but rose to 14th after the strikes.

Really nice men the miners.

[codseeker]

lol sean its easy to copy and paste others words into a post pmsl

[easyfish1]

So whats your take on things oh wise one ?

my take on what Neil ?

the fact that a former PM has died?

i'd suggest that people do some reading before they make judgement

it's easy to jump onto a thread with the majority...

everyone has opinions, informed or not,

mine....i'll keep to myself

[The Jester]

Which one went on strike during the war then ?????

Whilst true men were fighting for thier country

Miners pay
In 1944 underground miners were earning £5 per day and their wage tribunal refused to raise piece rates. When the Government announced that the national average industrial manual wage had reached £6 10s, miners came out on unofficial strike in South Wales, Kent, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Durham, and Scotland - some 220,000 in South Wales and Yorkshire alone. With the invasion of France looming, the press attacked the miners.

A South Wales miner of 30 years standing commented “... The argument that a strike would let our soldiers down was countered by men who had brothers and sons in the forces who, so they claimed, had urged them to fight and maintain their customs or privileges. They argued that they must retain something for those absent ones to come back to, while the suggestion that we should wait for further negotiations was swamped by the reply that we had already waited a long while...”

In fact the Government was compelled to intervene, restored differentials, and the miners won the highest minimum wage in Britain. Their average earnings ranked 81st in 1938, but rose to 14th after the strikes.

Really nice men the miners.

If this comment is directed at me Sean...my father was in the RAF during the 2nd world war..."the true men" comment was a low blow......whats your family working history then, since you like to stick the knife in mine.. Ah just read it....shipyards....when they closed, you abandoned the North East and went abroad....made your fortune and now live down South......After the quote "Really nice men the miners"........ i think 90% of people on here will have mining roots, so are you calling their relatives as well....

[kayos]

Which one went on strike during the war then ?????

Whilst true men were fighting for thier country

Miners pay
In 1944 underground miners were earning £5 per day and their wage tribunal refused to raise piece rates. When the Government announced that the national average industrial manual wage had reached £6 10s, miners came out on unofficial strike in South Wales, Kent, Lancashire, Yorkshire, Durham, and Scotland - some 220,000 in South Wales and Yorkshire alone. With the invasion of France looming, the press attacked the miners.

A South Wales miner of 30 years standing commented “... The argument that a strike would let our soldiers down was countered by men who had brothers and sons in the forces who, so they claimed, had urged them to fight and maintain their customs or privileges. They argued that they must retain something for those absent ones to come back to, while the suggestion that we should wait for further negotiations was swamped by the reply that we had already waited a long while...”

In fact the Government was compelled to intervene, restored differentials, and the miners won the highest minimum wage in Britain. Their average earnings ranked 81st in 1938, but rose to 14th after the strikes.

Really nice men the miners.

I scrubbed my last reply to you, but I will put it up now.

You really are a condescending @@@@@@(fill in appropriate rude word!)

[neil9629]

my take on what Neil ?

the fact that a former PM has died?

i'd suggest that people do some reading before they make judgement

it's easy to jump onto a thread with the majority...

everyone has opinions, informed or not,

mine....i'll keep to myself

i read every day, but the mess that the tory goverment made, i live day in and day out.
Thatcher was a nasty old woman, and thats a fact, and now the tory goverment are going to ruin this country, and all because none of the partys are worth voting for.
If the bnp didn't have thugs running it, they would have my vote !

[big_sean]

and now the tory goverment are going to ruin this country,
If the bnp didn't have thugs running it, they would have my vote !

Neil i agree with you on the Bnp issue as they could make a difference but they are run by complete idiots, but what i cannot understand how the tory goverment are going to ruin this country when we are now at the highest levels of debt ever recorded we have had our credit rating cut, we have a major immigration problem and all at the end of a 15year labour rule? and Mr blair when he came to power there was a full bank account so he could of re-nationalised everything if he had wanted so why didnt he?

Saen

[big_sean]

I scrubbed my last reply to you, but I will put it up now.

You really are a condescending @@@@@@(fill in appropriate rude word!)

I do thank you.

lol sean its easy to copy and paste others words into a post pmsl

Thanks Coddy.

If this comment is directed at me Sean...my father was in the RAF during the 2nd world war..."the true men" comment was a low blow......whats your family working history then, since you like to stick the knife in mine.. Ah just read it....shipyards....when they closed, you abandoned the North East and went abroad....made your fortune and now live down South......After the quote "Really nice men the miners"........ i think 90% of people on here will have mining roots, so are you calling their relatives as well....

Its a general comment about things that happened with the miners and the wages they were on, i did not support the strike but I could see why they were led out but the fact remains that more pits were shut due to the strike and communities were destroyed and this should have never happened, but the goverment couldnt back down as it would have been devestating for the country as a whole. and that is the last i will say on it as i have my view and you have yours.

As for my Roots I served my time in a centre in Teeside and finished off on the Powerstations, and moved around the contry following the work and yes i went to europe when there was no work here, but I will say one thing we had a brilliant work force and some were the best in the world but we had a work ethic which was sinking us hence why the shipyards closed and the industrys collapsed, I was fortunate enough to work my way into a very big boiler repair company and work my way through to a very good job but I never had it handed to me on a plate I study each night for about 4 hours doing a degree which will give me a better pay, each weekend I study for about 10 hours as well. I have sen what the unions did and the guys who were running them never suffered the only ones who suffered where the men who believed in them. when i was working in holland i was working with lots of newcastle guys and scottish guys all who were great workers but the dutch made sure you did a good shift some of the guys hated it as you had your jobs measured so they knew how much you had done, some guys would moan and say things like I am doing a weeks work a day, But to be honest 5 hours graft and you had done enough to satisfy your 10 hours. it amazed me they could build a ship 5 times quicker than we could in the uk and use our labour amazing.

I once worked for a shipyard in Hull and they had got behind on one of their orders so they had brought in a welding engineer who proposed using Semi automatic welding process and this would do the ship and get it on time, now 300 men were employed in there but after this one was finished it would have gone down to 100 to do the next 5 ships better they kept the place open in my eyes than let it go bust for late delivery, the union had a vote to strike if they brought a faster welding process in. good old uniond the yard is now extinct

we all have different views

Sean

[mark]

I wonder at what point in history folks will wake up to the new realities. I guess it just easier to blame thatch' than to actually think for yourself. Yup she was bad news, but why does no one seem to care that Blair and Brown not only picked the baton up from her and ran with it but launched it into hyperspace.

15 years in which they took the surplus they inherited and turned it into the biggest deficit ever, ****ed billions against the wall, sold off the uk gold reserves, deregulated the banks (that turned out really well) and handed control of interest rates to the bank of England, and then set about privatising London Underground, the NHS and schools through stealth - AKA Private Finance Initiatives - PFI - to name but a few

they could have mothballed swans for a paltry £8million, we could have still had a british car manufacturer for £80million, and kept a fair few of whatever mines were leftover from thatch' still alive, but no, they finished the job off good and proper, but they weren't thatcher so all those things must have been ok then. The Blair Witch project is now nearly complete.

mandelson, blair and brown are all ****ing themselves laughing at you for blaming the mad woman from 30 years ago for everything while they and their chums got very very rich indeed

take the blinkers off and look around FFS. the real enemy is not some mad handbag wielding bint from decades ago, the real enemies are here and now. Apathy being the biggest. But as long as you get your bit, the Blair clone can come back in a couple of years and finish the job off proper then we can start blaming thatch and cameron for everything again which makes it all alright. god forbid that people might actually blame themselves for letting it happen in the first place