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    this a email. was written originally by Francis Stonor Saunders.



    Frances Stonor Saunders is the former arts editor of The New Statesman, author of The Cultural Cold War, Diabolical Englishman and The Devil\'s Broker and was awarded the Royal Historical Society\'s William Gladstone Memorial Prize. She lives in London.



    It is well worth reading and if you wish to, please pass it on to as many people as you can.

    \"You may have heard that legislation creating compulsory ID Cards passed a crucial stage in the House of Commons. You may feel that ID cards are not something to worry about, since we already have Photo ID for our Passport and Driving License and an ID Card will be no different to that. What you have not been told is the full scope of this proposed ID Card, and what it will mean to you personally.




    The proposed ID Card will be different from any card you now hold. It will be connected to a database called the NIR, (National Identity Register), where all of your personal details will be stored. This will include the unique number that will be issued to you, your fingerprints, a scan of the back of your eye, and your photograph. Your name, address and date of birth will also obviously be stored there.

    There will be spaces on this database for your religion, residence status, and many other private and personal facts about you. There is unlimited space for every other details of your life on the NIR database, which can be expanded by the Government with or without further Acts of Parliament.



    By itself, you might think that this register is harmless, but you would be wrong to come to this conclusion. This new card will be used to check your identity against your entry in the register in real time, whenever you present it to \'prove who you are\'.



    Every place that sells alcohol or cigarettes, every post office, every pharmacy, and every Bank will have an NIR Card Terminal, (very much like the Chip and Pin Readers that are everywhere now) into which your card can be \'swiped\' to check your identity. Each time this happens, a record is made at the NIR of the time and place that the Card was presented. This means for example, that there will be a government record of every time you withdraw more than £99 at your branch of NatWest, who now demand ID for these transactions. Every time you have to prove that you are over 18, your card will be swiped, and a record made at the NIR. Restaurants and off licenses will demand that your card is swiped so that each receipt shows that they sold alcohol to someone over 18, and that this was proved by the access to the NIR, indemnifying them from prosecution.

    Private businesses are going to be given access to the NIR Database. If you want to apply for a job, you will have to present your card for a swipe. If you want to apply for a London Underground Oyster Card, or a supermarket loyalty card, or a driving license you will have to present your ID Card for a swipe. The same goes for getting a telephone line or a mobile phone or an internet account.



    Oyster, DVLA, BT and Nectar (for example) all run very detailed databases of their own. They will be allowed access to the NIR, just as every other business will be. This means that each of these entities will be able to store your unique number in their database, and place all your travel, phone records, driving activities and detailed shopping habits under your unique NIR number. These databases, which can easily fit on a storage device the size of your hand, will be sold to third parties either legally or illegally. It will then be possible for a non-governmental entity to create a detailed dossier of all your activities. Certainly, the government will have clandestine access to all of them, meaning that they will have a complete record of all your movements, from how much and when you withdraw from your bank account to what medications you are taking, down to the level of what sort of bread you eat - all accessible via a single unique number in a central database.



    This is quite a significant leap from a simple ID Card that shows your name and face.

    Most people do not know that this is the true character and scope of the proposed ID Card. Whenever the details of how it will work are explained to them, they quickly change from being ambivalent towards it.



    The Government is going to COMPEL you to enter your details into the NIR and to carry this card. If you and your children want to obtain or renew your passports, you will be forced to have your fingerprints taken and your eyes scanned for the NIR, and an ID Card will be issued to you whether you want one or not. If you refuse to be fingerprinted and eye scanned, you will not be able to get a passport. Your ID Card will, just like your passport, not be your property. The Home Secretary will have the right to revoke or suspend your ID at any time, meaning that you will not be able to withdraw money from your Bank Account, for example, or do anything that requires you to present your government issued ID Card.



    The arguments that have been put forwarded in favour of ID Cards can be easily disproved. ID Cards WILL NOT stop terrorists; every Spaniard has a compulsory ID Card as did the Madrid Bombers. ID Cards will not \'eliminate benefit fraud\', which in comparison, is small compared to the astronomical cost of this proposal, which will be measured in billions according to the LSE (London School of Economics). This scheme exists solely to exert total surveillance and control over the ordinary free British Citizen, and it will line the pockets of the companies that will create the computer systems at the expense of your freedom, privacy and money.



    If you did not know the full scope of the proposed ID Card Scheme before and you are as unsettled as I am at what it really means to you, to this country and its way of life, I urge you to email or photocopy this and give it to your friends and colleagues and everyone else you think should know and who cares. The Bill has proceeded to this stage due to the lack of accurate and complete information on this proposal being made public. Together & hand in hand, we can inform the entire nation if everyone who receives this passes it on


    old fishermen never die--they just put there rods away

  • #2
    ID cards, ok whose gonna start first!
    ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ.

    Thought for the day:
    Some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything but bring a smile to your face when thrown down the stairs

    Converting an MFV Fifie trawler type thing.

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    • #3
      If everyone refuses to carry an ID card what will the government do about it? Throw everyone in prison. Somehow i dont think they will.
      As I have grown older, I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible,
      but P*****g everyone off is a piece of cake.

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      • #4
        Lol Mark, I REALLY don\'t want to go there either mate.

        Not a problem if you don\'t go abroad at all Mike.

        Just got my passport renewed but after 10 years if I still want to travel I won\'t have a choice.

        Jim.
        Remember, some people are alive simply because it is illegal to shoot them.

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        • #5
          Need to renew my passport in june. hope they dont start ID cards before then. Could,nt live without getting abroad at least once a year.
          As I have grown older, I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible,
          but P*****g everyone off is a piece of cake.

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          • #6
            Lol so you won\'t be refusing to carry one then Mike.

            Jim.
            Remember, some people are alive simply because it is illegal to shoot them.

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            • #7
              When you look at it there is not going to be any way you can avoid it unless you intend to become a hermit or a night of the road
              ( Vagrant ). I would prefer not to carry one as I have enough forms of identification as it is.
              As I have grown older, I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible,
              but P*****g everyone off is a piece of cake.

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              • #8
                If everyone refuses to carry an ID card what will the government do about it? Throw everyone in prison. Somehow i dont think they will.
                it won\'t happen, being british, we\'ll all complain vociferously, then just accept it as per usaul!

                I\'ve seen the technology that is being built to monitor the data from cards first hand, and the money spinning offshoots for the government are everywhere.

                ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ.

                Thought for the day:
                Some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything but bring a smile to your face when thrown down the stairs

                Converting an MFV Fifie trawler type thing.

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                • #9
                  I have just been talking to one of our IT guys and he raecon that the amount of money the government will make from these cards will be about as much as they make from the tax on petrol.
                  As I have grown older, I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible,
                  but P*****g everyone off is a piece of cake.

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                  • #10
                    Well either way they already have my details as I have one of the trial cards....

                    I have no negative opinion on this but I feel that I would be in the minority.

                    All I refer to is what me nana says and it is this......You have nothing to worry about if you have nothing to hide.

                    I know that this is a government money making facility.....and either way they will have it from us one way or the other. They will do with it what they will and there is nothing that we can do about it.
                    Clare

                    yes it is her.

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                    • #11
                      Clare I used to say exactly the same as your nana.

                      Since the debarcle in Liverpool I don\'t feel quite so brave.

                      One day I could dissagree with wor Tony and he might not like it.

                      Scare\'s the crap out of me now.

                      As I have said in previous posts if you trust your police force 100% you have nothing to worry about.

                      If you live anywhere near to Consett which has had quite a bad relationship with the said people for most of my life then you have a problem.

                      For those that are not from here, this is a training area and we are sent the boys that are straight out of training and trying to make a name for themselves.

                      Most of the police lads on here will know what I am talking about as I know that they have as many problems with these people as we do.

                      If it had not been for an ex Officer I would probably had an unwarranted record now.

                      Walking home from your first son\'s birth does not make you a criminal but that is what I would have been.

                      Jim.
                      Remember, some people are alive simply because it is illegal to shoot them.

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                      • #12
                        I know what you mean Jim. The young lad up the street from me has had a few problems with teenagers jumping on his car and generaly making a nuisance of themselves. He had repeatedly reported this and was told that because he had no evidence, so he started to take photographs and the police came and arrested him and confiscated the film. He had one hell of a time trying to sort it all out. he could have ended up with an unwarrented record as a poedofile.
                        As I have grown older, I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible,
                        but P*****g everyone off is a piece of cake.

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                        • #13
                          at first i had no problems about id cards [as i carried one in the forces] but after i was sent that report i don,t like the idea

                          as for the guy who was arrested for taking photos of kids behaving badly-----as chairman of the residents association i was told not to video them directly but to point the camera ta something else with them still in shot----that was from crime provention officer---apparantly it,s data protection act
                          old fishermen never die--they just put there rods away

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                          • #14
                            hi jim just reread your post --as im from stanley i know what you mean ,some of them would stop you for looking over your shoulder
                            old fishermen never die--they just put there rods away

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