What can you say.

[willywetegg]

Was not impressed with this one.

http://www.itv.com/news/index_206036.html

I hope this gets put right and SOON. Maybe the judges that overturned the decision need to live in Richmond or other areas where these scum just ignore the laws and terrorise old people.

Jim.

[DaveMason]

Hear what you say Jim, but. I was working down the pit at 15 under the current proposals I would not have been allowed out at night after 9pm .

i know what the little sods are like but maybe we not ought to presume them all automatically guilty .

[willywetegg]

I also appreciate what you are saying Dave lol but the Police are powerless to do anything with the little sods that they do manage to take to court.
The difference between when you were 15 and now is that then most people understood what respect is.
I agree that they all can\'t be presumed guilty but the ones that are guilty should have a greater deterrent than is in place now, NONE.
I bet the poor people whose life has been ruined by these little darlings in the likes of Seaham are really looking forward to them coming back and starting again.
We used to have gangs of up to 200 (I kid you not) hanging around near us, one policeman took it upon himself to sort it and he did. It was a no go area for the older people as they were petrified of them.

Jim.

[mark]

[Edited on 20/7/2005 by mark]

[Charlton]

Thing is when we where fifteen all those years ago, the copper did not take you home, he just gave you a clip round the ear. Maybe the youngsters today would learn respect if they went down the pit or the army at fifteen. Set your cheek up there and they would get more than a clip round the ear.

[Norman]

here here Alan .... thats what we are missing ....

[Davyred]

Couldn\'t agree more.

[DaveMason]

Your not wrong Alan . The way it was explained on the news was the police Have the powers to lift them causing any offence and apply for ASBO\'S and rightly so . Lifting ANYONE on sight is maybe a bit much for doing nothing more than being there . I understand the kid needed to pass that way on his way back home from music lessons at night .

[bribones]

your in the loo with a bad doze of the trots,aye up no bog roll its 9:05 pm you say to your 15 year old nip doon the shop and get some andrex,i cant dad ill get lifted ???????

bit of a stupid rule/law dont you think ?

fair enough if the youngsters are proven trouble makers,i grew up in the area where i now live when i was 15/16 we had 4 parks in the area as well as fields ,see if you can guess how many there is now ?






the nearest park to us is nearly a mile away,kids have nowt better to do so they hang around on the corners,saying that i did it myself ,me and all my mates used to hang around at the top of our street ,doing nowt wrong just talking ,,you cant judge all kids becouse of a few bad apples,and if the lad in question wasnt doing owt wrong he was within his rights to challenge the ruling

just the other side of the coin and all that

[TC]

At the risk of being accused of \"do-gooderness\"......I\'ve got to agree with Bri on this one.

So....we\'ve got the school Summer holidays starting this weekend......
Going by the curfew ruling (depending upon where you live), you can\'t let your kids play out with their mates after 9:00pm?........even though it\'s still light (and often sunny) at that time during the Summer.

What a thoroughly ridiculous \"law\".
Many Local Authorities are trying to involve kids in deciding what facilities are needed for them in their area. It\'s difficult enough trying to get adults interested......but kids (paritcularly teenage kids) are even harder to convince that what the Authorities are trying to provide is for their benefit. Treating ALL kids under the age of 16 as \"anti social\" isn\'t going to help matters any. It will only serve to alienate them still further and \"prove\" to them that the Authorities DON\'T care about them and that their voice IS NOT worth listening to.

[willywetegg]

Got to agree with bits of everything that have been said on here but lets get back to the nitty gritty.
I am sure that everyone that has posted on here is a good parent that has the best interests for their children hence this question.

If you knew that there was an area where there were large gangs of kids running wild and terrorising the neighbourhood, would you allow your children to \" hang around \" in that area.

Jim.

[DaveMason]

Dont think any of us would Jim in answer to your question . What disturbs me more about this is it\'s ANOTHER attack on our liberties . They slyed another one in last week , no protesting within half a mile of parliament without a police approval (A no go zone ) . It\'s the very essence of democracy to have a right to protest and you cannot even get close your own MP\'s . They are even tucked behind a bullet proof partition in the house now ( not that they are there much )

I personally have only seen goverments this controlling in third world states and dictatorships , and here it is right on our front door .Just my opinion like :P

just another one before I jump off my orange box , they inform us the Iraq constitution is nearly complete and will work out soon . When are we getting ours then ? We are \"Subjects\"in this country and not citizens and we have no statutory rights as such , unlike Americans and others who have it cast in stone and cannot change it at a whim .

[Edited on 21/7/2005 by DaveMason]

[bribones]

i am sure that everyone that has posted on here is a good parent that has the best interests for their children

i think therein lies your answer jim good parenting ,most the little hoodlums have parents who dont give a stuff (saying that you cant keep track 24/7)
id like to think when BJ gets to that age he will be well behaved and responsible for his actions,every estate i know of has a no go area due to gangs hanging around
but one of the problems with this law is if they hang around in the parks they still get moved on,it needs to be ammended so that it works ,why have a park then tell the kids hey you can use it but not after 9pm

[5150]

It\'s a real tricky one, I think the problem is people are trying to use a blanket approach when there\'s more than one issue...

You\'ve got kids that are trouble, pure and simple.. there\'s loads of them around our way and everyone knows who they are. It\'s almost always the same group causing the majority of the hastle.

Then you\'ve got the decent kids, they go out and either get dragged into tagging along with the problem ones or become targets for them.

And then you\'ve got the PPP\'s (p*ss poor parents) the ones who\'ve no idea what their kids are doing, where they are and more to the point they don\'t care.

Finally you\'ve got the other/unknown factor to weight in - people grabbing kids to abuse them, older ones mugging them for whatever they\'re carrying etc etc.


While I don\'t agree fully with the blanket curfew, it does take away a lot of those issues... It needs some flexibility though.

[Charlton]

Bri, remember when i was a young un, just had to jump over the wall and i was in the farmers fileds, loads of open spaces to play in. Now, all houses, thats why i am on the beach or the quarry with the grandbairns most of the time. Fresh air and excercise, put a lot of todays problems down to the parents as well, they cany be bothered.