here we go

[Les]

itl be red meat next then breathing etc etc

bri....

red meat might give you cancer, but your consumption of the stuff won\'t affect me or my childrens health.

why should i be assailed by your effluant everytime i want to go for a drink??

at times i go for a drink knowing full well when i get home clothes put on clean that night can\'t be worn again until they have been washed.

this is why i don\'t go to pubs on busy nights, i find smoking offensive

smokers would soon kick up a fuss if i sat next to them and started doing big stinking farts yet they think i should have to leave the premises because of their stinking habit.

i have a huge no smoking sign on the door of my shop, people who have a lit fag take a look at this sign and do 1 of 3 things

1.....nick their fag and come in

2....ignore it and walk in trying to hide a lit fag behind their back

3.....take about 6 big drags on the fag then walk in and blow their minging poison in my face.

option 1 gets a thank you from me,

option 2 gets a please put out your fag, no smoking on the premises,

option 3 get you a fine in the way of something added to your bill.....lol

[bribones]

ok ok lol getting a bit off track here ,i have no problem with the ban as such ,ie cafes etc ,but bars clubs etc ,the word public means well public ,or it used to now it means public bar those who smoke

just look at the top of this page when you reply at the google ads ! lung cancer information ,second hand smoke test ?? big brother looking in

binge drinking ban smoking ban and everything else this country decides is bad for us ,your no longer entitled to free speech ,what ever happened to choice ?like Ian says nobody forces you to go into a bar where people smoke ,but smokers are being forced out,to me its just gonna be one ban after another until your left with no rights at all

les as the shop owner youve got the choice to say no smoking ,shouldnt the pubs and clubs be given that same choice ?

[Edited on 26/6/2005 by bribones]

[TC]

As has been said.....if the Govt. wants to ban smoking, then it should have the balls to make it illegal......ban tobacco being imported.....ban tobacco being sold......ban tobacco being bought......ban tobacco being smoked.
Problem with that is......they would lose a MASSIVE amount of revenue. Who then would pay to keep the NHS going - as it\'s the smokers, through obscene taxes on tobacco, who currently fund the NHS. Non-smokers who need hospital care should remember that it\'s through smokers paying these huge taxes that they CAN recieve free hospital treatment.
What really p***es me off is the attitude of the majority of non-smokers towards smokers.....the assumption is that if you smoke, you do it without ANY consideration for others. I think you\'d find that most smokers will recognise when and when not it is appropriate to light up.

As for the banning of drinkingr alcohol in public open places, that\'s already happened.....ST Council have erected loads of signs on lampposts, etc saying that it is illegal to consume alcohol in that vicinity.

Equating smoking to alcohol.........how many people are killed or injured every year through \"passive drinking\"?
It\'s no surprise that alcohol is a major contributory factor in road accidents.
You may well be a tea totaller, but that doesn\'t mean you won\'t be knocked down by a drunk driver........so why not ban alcohol aswell?

EDIT:
Just been looking at some Dept of Evironment & Transport figures.....

In 1999, 17.6 thousand road accidents resulting in death or injury were directly related to alcohol.
Whilst this still reflects a lot of drink related deaths or injuries on the road, it is a huge reduction from the figures of a decade earlier....

In 1986, alochol was found to be the cause of 27.2 thousand road deaths or injuries.

Now that\'s just \"on the road\"......... !!!!!



[Edited on 26/6/2005 by TC]

[Edited on 26/6/2005 by TC]

[Charlie_Thompson]

The tobacco companies are often cited in this debate and rightly so in many respects. What many people do not realise is they are also directly responsible for turning a naturally growing product that has been used for millenia by humans, into an addictive and expensive drug with little / no positive effects on the user and many terrible implications for health when combined with the **** diet and crappy air these same conglomerates expect us to put up with . Back in the old days, like pre Wham and that, we used to use tobacco for a number of reasons. The tobacco people smoked, grown locally, was incredibly powerful and often used with other psychoactive herbs for religious / social / physical reasons. The peace pipe of the American Indians apparently would knock you of your feet due to it\'s huge nicotine hit and a few other bits to boot. South American shamen use indigenous tobacco\'s to achieve useful altered states of consciousness. From the earliest days of tobacco importation the companies involved worked out ways to flog more of their gear. It\'s no good someone passing out after one of your numbers if your prime motivation is to sell product. You need a device to deliver your hit on a regular basis. And that dear friends is exactlty what they did. Modern strains of tobacco deliver a precisely calculated dose of nicotine designed to get you to smoke 20 of them a day without giving you any type of good vibe, the only reason we really smoke is because we don\'t like the feeling of not smoking, a true and pernicious addiction. On top of this the Christian element amongst our illustrious past disagreed with the notion of us mortals being allowed to alter our minds by using effective drugs (they didn\'t ban alcohol as it\'s not commonly known for expanding peoples minds) and as a result most of the interesting characteristics of the wild tobacco plant have been completely bred out, the tobacco plant is one the most experimented on plants on the earth currently available from the newsagent . In short vested interests have turned a valuable natural resource into Benson and ****ing Hedges.

If you want to stop other people governing your lives then start fighting for a system that allows us to govern our own. Err Anarchy of course before you ask.


no way I\'m editing this *******

[Edited on 26/6/2005 by Charlie_Thompson]

I mised an \"s\" off sytstem so did another edit

[Edited on 26/6/2005 by Charlie_Thompson]

[TC]

\"no way I\'m editing this b**t**d

[Edited on 26/6/2005 by Charlie_Thompson]\"


Almost made it, Ell

[Charlie_Thompson]

NOWT WRONG WITH BACCKY

apart from

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R. Thompson
I. Murray
C. Thompson

and a few crillion others, see what a bad tab can do for you.

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[mark]

[quote]

why should i be assailed by your effluant everytime i want to go for a drink??
[/quotee]

for the same reason every person on the planet shouldn\'t be assialed by the effluent produced every time a car is driven, a plastic bag is made. oil is refined blah blah blah

the whole point is that if you have a non smoking place and a non smoking place you goin the non smoking place so you can whinge at the smokers

had a conversation a week or go on this subject with some uppity middle class oik whilst picking the kids up. said women then bundled her precious things in a 4.2 litre range rover and drove half a mile home, the same half mile she does twice a day,

but of course the sweet perfume from a cold 4.2 litre engine on full choke engine will never do anyone any harm

for fecks sake, does no one get the picture - grown up have the power to choose - go to a smokey place or a non smokey place simple

you\'ll be telling me to stop refining lysergic acid diethlymide next because the waste gases are making me neighbours feel peculiar


edited to make charlie feel more comfortable

[Edited on 26/6/2005 by mark]

[TC]

So just how much does the Govt make from duty on tobacco sales?

According to a Govt paper issued just before the 2003 Budget.......

\".......Tobacco is an important health and fiscal policy, yet very little data is published about the structure of this £9 Billion tax base........\"

[Charlie_Thompson]

PUB - Public House, a place for the Public.

[mark]

my beagle is well miffed as well at being informed he can\'t chill out with his mates round the lamppost

[Charlie_Thompson]

very little data is published

Aye that\'s a fact Tony, very much data is known though.