here we go

[bribones]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4110706.stm

when will it end ?

[sless]

sooner the better

[bribones]

maybe i should have said where lol

criminal now if you smoke ?

itl be red meat next then breathing etc etc

[gogs]

At least that **** TB didnt go the whole hog down your way and ban smoking in all pubs.its through the board up here,banned in all public places come 2006.

[Les]

banned in all public places come 2006.

yeee haaa!!!!!!!!!

[bribones]

yeee haaa!!!!!!!!!

lets wait and see how many pubs close through lack of custom come 2006 lol ,this goverments cutting there own throats

i dont mind the ban on the whole i agree with most of it but to make it a criminal offence is a step too far

i have a vision of britain in the future we will all be non smoking vegitarian tea totaling zombies following every rule laid down by idiots

[Davyred]

They done it Ireland Bri, and apparently there was little, if any, loss of trade. People will never stop going out to pubs because they can\'t smoke.

IMO, being a non-smoker, I welcome it because, amongst other things, it makes your clothes stink when you\'ve been in a bar all night. If it gets on your clothes, its going to get into your lungs.

My Dad, mam and brother all smoke. When the kids are around, they go outside for a smoke. When you ask them why, they say its so the kids don\'t breath the smoke. So its alright for me to breath it then!!

[sless]

what boils my pizz is when you see a car with an adult in smoking with a child in the car with them
and the windows shut
they should be flogged
the poor kids

[SIXFOOTSTEVE]

Well here\'s my bit .... Mam died at 52 with heart failure ,a heavy smoker , Dad died at 64, lung cancer,heavy smoker .I\'ve never smoked but my brother still does ...after seeing our parents die because of it .........

[alan]

I\'m a non smoker as long as people show respect to non smokers then it does\'nt bother me.Davy\'s right about Ireland there was hell on when it was announced they were introducing non smoking but i dont think it effected businesses that much.
Alcohol is a big killer as well...........................

[SIXFOOTSTEVE]

Can\'t argue with that Alan ,was going to say not as much but I\'ve given it some thought and ,best to leave it mate ...lol

[mark]

hmmnnn, One of the arguements you herre from the anti\'s is often the secondary smoking/health hazrd thing\'
can\'t disagree with that in principle, and yeah, even as a smoker, I\'m not fond og smelling me clothes the morning after night in a pub, but the health thing... Ever wondered how many carcinogenic gases we inhale every day from exhaust fumes from road vehicles

If its purely a health thing that the government wants to crack down on they should go the whole hog and outlaw tobacco all together, but they don\'t have the balls for it, and the country couldn\'t afford the loss of revenue. A common whinge is the \'cost to the health service/nhs\' from trreating smoking relating ilnesses. Its a well recorded fact that, averaged out, for every £100 it costs the nhs, smokers have paid arounf £250 quid in revenue - so stick that in yer pipe and smoke it tony!

In terms of costs to the health service, nobody\'s taliking about how much obesity, type 2 diabetes, liver cirrhosis, cardio vascular disease, pulmonary hear disease etc is costing us, perhaps they should have law that all macdonalds be taxed to a similar degree and \'no fat *******s signs\' displayed preominently throughout the stores.

they don\'t want us to stop smoking they just want us to stay indoors and smoke wor heeds off!

One thing that doesn\'t quite make sense is the new law of \'failing to display adequate no smoking signs\' nice little earner for that for some local authority hitler to wander around pubs/restaurants.

surely if its a given that these place are to be smoke free you don\'t need signs to re-enforce it

it illegal to breed coypu\'s in this country but you don\'t see many signs

I don\'t necessarily dissagree with it, but I would of liked to see the option given to pub landlords/licencing magistrates so some pubs could be licenced for \'consumption of alcohol on the premises, music, dancing and smoking tabs\' while they are at it, any pub that is found to have served someone who\'s had too many already should have their licence revoked permanently, alcohol can be equally antisocial and damaging

when was the last time you had your head stoved in in a taxi queue because someone had smoked too may tabs?

the magistrates decide a percentage of pubs that can and those that can\'t, perhaps having smoking licences renewed every few years and at the same time reduce the number

imagine a pipe smoking ban 20 years ago in the uk, we\'d of never heard of martina navratilova at wimbledon



[Edited on 25/6/2005 by mark]

[sless]

so what you trying to say then

[mark]

what I\'m saying is its yet more nannyism from tony\' cronies

its only a short hop from a nanny state to a dictatorship

it seems that HM government don\'t believe we are capable of making informed descisions on our own

some smoking places some no smoking places, we then choose, whats wrong with that, everyone can be happy



otherwise outlaw tobacco sales altogether but they still want our money, in fact I\'d bet there\'ll be another big rise in duty come the budget

I\'d also bet a ban on alcohol in any public place ie not in your home and not on licenced premises is not far around the corner

[IanW]

what boils my pizz is when you see a car with an adult in smoking with a child in the car with them
and the windows shut
they should be flogged
the poor kids

That was me and my brother every summer holiday....always left at around midnight (father worked nights for years) heading for the west coast of scotland. God help you if you opened the window in the car for a bit of fresh air....something about the air bouncing of the back window and getting him in the back of the neck...and that was with both parents who smoked.

Never did me any harm

Anyway as for smoking in public places.....I think, as an ex-smoker (and no I don\'t bitch at people who do), it should be voluntary if the establishments wish to ban smoking....then if you come across one you don\'t have to enter it if you don\'t want to....it\'s not as if your being forced to enter it!!!