A certain top South coast Match angler

[boblydon]

excellent point about the car thing, never thought about that one...........................what was the original topic about ?? lol lol

[sless]

some south coast gent stealing someones glory

[boblydon]

that must have been before i got on my high horse then......................................hope he doesnt do DIY aswell then, especially heating and electrics............haa haa

[bribones]

http://www.odpm.gov.uk/pns/DisplayPN.cgi?pn_id=2004_0148

good job ive just finished all mine ,no idea what this has to do with some bloke nicking davys cousins rod

[boblydon]

thanks bri, interesting reading never new about the other parts to the regs

[bribones]

i think there taking the mick myself ,i mean theres nowt difficult in say adding a spur or a socket into the ring main or even fitting a shower to a 30 amp circuit ,mind i wouldnt let wor lass fit a plug lol

define competent lol ,i can see a lot of council lads getting laid off

plumbing will be next on the list youl not be able to fit new taps next

[john.frain]

bob if you want a copy of the new part P regulation PM me with your home address will send you a copy


dont forget about energy efficiency lol

[boblydon]

thanks John will do....energy and effeciency is sorted booked for early feb

[bigh]

As a spark who served his time 40 years ago (5years 8months) and am now looking forward to retirement in a few years time, I have decided it would not be worth my while spending the money to get the necessary certification. So without this certification am I now considered to be incompetent ?? I have dozens of customers who would argue otherwise.

[john.frain]

bri just read your post mate, dont mean to be funny but i hear comments like that every day of the week.

just to enlighten you, i work in the education sector and hear comments like thee above quite often. If it was not for the likes of the IEE and Corgi this country would be in a real state.

it would be very intresting to see if the work that is peformed say on an a electric shower by average joe was installed up to current electric and water regulations, i doubt very much it would be.

as for working on water (fitting taps) correct mate not be long with the new GWINTO standards (gas,water) most people think they can fit an outside tap but will it be fitted to current water regulations eg will it prevent back siphonage if not cross contamination will be caused with your drinking water.

its the ignorance of the public that give tradesmen/women a bad name i must agree that there are a lot of cowboys/girls in the industry but it is my job and others to ensure that there time in the construction industry will be very short.

The time and training that apprentices dedicate to become a compotent Plumber/Gas engineer is unreal most people say \" aye gone have the good old days of real trades\" little do they realise that to obtain a NVQ Level 3 in Plumbing is no easy feat.

Corgi Registered Gas installers (RIP I HEAR) we deserve every penny we charge not only for the courses of study we have to cover but for the pressure and regulations that we have to keep to. most people forget that we are working with an explosive material (gas) you would not beleive the accidents that have been caused through public people thinking that they can do it.........

A word of advice if you want to risk your life and your family then go for it but for the sake of a few quid you can be sure to wake up in the moring...........

cheers john

[john.frain]

Bigh,

its not about being judged as being incompetent, just being up to current standard.
it is a pain but all these certification schemes will do the industry wonders. ensuring that all work that is carried out will be done to the correct standard.

[boblydon]

i have many heating friends who have the same problem as you, and i find it hard how the powers to be can class trades persons with years of experince in the same class as a diy,er with none, in the same token someone straight out of college with very little practible experience but the correct exam qualifications is surposed to be competent....something we both encounter on a daily basis......but i must say i agree entirely with all ongoing training keeping us up to date with new products,proceedures and legislation in no matter what ever job any one does

[Clare]

In the line of work that I do I invigilate tests for the CITB (all aspects from General Site to Scaffolding to Demolition) and I have this conversation on a regular basis with Gentlemen of a certain age who do not feel it nessecary to have a current and vaild health and safety card...

One gentleman i spoke to recently said that although he knew that he had to do the test he felt that it was an insult that he had to do it, as he had forgotten more than what was in the book that he was given to revise from ....My reply as I gave him his result was...\"well unfortunately sir you had better read the book because I am afraid you failed your test\"

The look on his face was priceless and although I can sympathise with the man, at the same time I have to look at it in the sense that if he does not have a current and valid card he will not be able to work on site.... True that the man will know more than I would ever be able to learn from a book but the times they are a changing and we must keep up with them if we are to survive and not get our arses sued when something goes wrong.

[Edited on 14/1/2005 by Clare]

[Edited on 14/1/2005 by Clare]

[mark]

[quote]A word of advice if you want to risk your life and your family then go for it but for the sake of a few quid you can be sure to wake up in the moring...........[quote]

bit harsh that, by that reckoning if we haven\'t done all the courses and have up to date cerificates for the latest regs we are a danger to ourselves. Yes there\'s a lot of stupid people out there, that try do things far beyond their capability. But I would suggest also there\'s a lot of \'tradesmen\' out there that aren\'t much better. Like I said before, you\'re not a time served mechanic but you\'ll work on a car.

my problem is the new regs does nobody any good at all.

what they should say is that it is now an offence for any person to offer themselves in a paid for professional capacity as a sparky plumber etc without valid and up to date tickets etc.

as the situation appears, any body can still offer their services with no qualification to do so. Ok the work they do might not gets past regs in a large site or they won\'t be allowed on in the first place, someone who sticks an ad in the paper and does private work is competely out of that loop. how many jobbing builders are there out there that\'ll do the \'odd bit\' off wiring/plumbing etc. Nothing to stop em either

Thread Hijacking at is best

[john.frain]

\"bit harsh that\" sadly reality bites
DIY electricians face large fines

The government has been worried by rising deaths
DIY electricians face big fines from Saturday but many are unaware of the new legislation, a survey suggests.
The new regulations mean work more complicated than replacing a plug socket or changing a light switch can require official approval.

The government opted for legislation because of a rising number of deaths due to amateur electrical work.

But a survey by British Gas found 61% of respondents did not know about the new regulations.

And the survey suggested 60% would still do major electrical work themselves or get an unqualified friend to help, despite the new laws.

Work such as fitting a new circuit in a house will require a local authority inspection or the use of a certified electrician.

House fires


Those who break the regulations face fines up to £5,000.

Dangerously-fitted electrics cost the lives of an average of 10 people a year, with 750 seriously injured, the Department of Trade and Industry says.

Unsafe circuits also caused 2,336 house fires last year.

A DTI leaflet earlier this month was launched by Dr Jenny Tonge MP, who lost her daughter in an electrical accident.

Building Regulations Minister Phil Hope said: \"These changes will give those renting or buying a property extra peace of mind and reinforce the message from DIY manuals and consumer associations to take special care when considering electrical work in the home.

\"Our aim is to drive up standards of workmanship and protect consumers by making our homes safer.\"

this is what its all about if un-qualified people and poor tradesmen continue without knowledge of new regs then fatalities will continue to rise.


john