I.D.Cards.

[mark]

were the anglers at liverpool not trespassing??

could be wrong, but I\'m sure the bit I heard on R4 last month said they were fishing from the public walkway

[sless]

i never read abot it so i dont know

[sless]

For generations one of the best sea angling venues in the North West has been in Liverpool docks.

So, when access restrictions were placed on anglers under the auspices of national security and the war against terror, there was an outcry, particularly as these measures seemed to be aimed mainly at restricting anglers whilst allowing free access to other visitors.

Now two lads fishing have been formally charged under legislation designed to counter the terrosist threat to this country.

[ray]

is the fee mentioned correct 85 quid seems a bit steep and would we have to pay for our kids if so i will be out of pocket by 425 quid aswel as the 190 i will have to pay for the licence im going to need to work from the end of next year.

[Chris_Hughes]

What\'s the guarantee on these cards, any card I get from the bank last about 6 months in my wallet before the electronics/magnetic gubbins are jiggered - I think it\'s that personal magnetism that I emit that screws them up.

I am still on the fence with this one, but leaning away from the ID cards as currently proposed. Biometric information is personal as is other data and should not be available for any agent of the state to peruse because of suspicion of a crime or just downright noseyness. On the other hand any mechanism that can help solve crime without mistake is a plus.

Possibly a way forward is for externally the ID card to show no more than a picture, name, DoB, person ID\' In the electronics, the card can hold additional personal information but all encrypted and no data would be held on a central database other than what is on the outside of the card. You would also have a second card which is the key to the encryption on the main ID card. You would keep this encryption card in a safe place separate to the main card. If the police pull you in and need to know more about you, then they would need a magistrates warrant to demand the second card. Any misuse or illicit obtaining of the key would be a serious crime with prison sentences to the perpetrators and substantial compensation to the victim. Hopefully this would stop misuse of the system and the central database would not hold much more information about you than big brother knows already.

Whatever solution is chosen it has to be free issue.

[mark]

85 quid is the fee that has been bandied about so far!

can\'t see how ID cards will help solve crime unless the person that mugs you lets you note down the details on his card or the burglar leaves it behind!

there is so much that has crept in under the wire in recent years, things like the electoral register, crimianl offence not to be on it! They masked that one by saying its your right to vote etc. what if you don\'t want to vote......

I doubt very much that the ID cards thing won\'t happen. The opposition parties are muttering negative things about whilst they are in opposition, but should they get elected it will probably happen any way. The toreis will just say it was a labour idea and labour will say the tories got it wrong

They will supposedly use similar smart chip technology as on current credit cards, so what will be the state of play if one happens to gives ones card a could big blast of static electricity to fry the circuitry in the chip?? who\'s to blame then, not that it will matter as they will have a back up of all the info anyway as they would need it to write the card in the first place, so the cards may just be a ruse to biometric profiling information on everyone of us centralised

[Ell]

\"Apparently\" the introduction of ID cards in France has had little, if any effect on crime rates, fraud, illegal immigration, terrorism etc. this fact alone should persuade us to fight against them. What does happen however is that if you are not wearing a beret and a burglars jumper you are much more likely to be stopped and asked to show your card. Counter culture kids and non-whites, anyone that doesn\'t \"Look Right\" or \"Appearees en peu dodjee\" are constantly hassled.

I don\'t think these cards could ever be that safe Chris and your proposals would be no different to the system we have in place now. i.e. We have to show ID of some sort in certain circumstances (fair enough) already and the police can apply for warrants to allow phone taps, access to confidential files etc.

Recently we have lost the right to remain silent, to spontaneously demonstrate without informing the police, Trial by Jury is off the cards for some defendants, you can now be held indefinetly without trial, supporting workers on strike in related industries is illegal. Unions cannot rely on a mandate given to them by democratic election to call for strike action without a mini referendum, the govs. laws concerning the internet allow them to snoop without restriction, new proposals will allow traffic cops to finger print us at the roadside, mandatory drug testing is becoming ever more popular, benefits will eventually no longer be payed in cash ..............................and the rest

Don\'t let them get away with suckering us into an expensive, insidious scheme designed soley for their benefit.

[ray]

this probably sounds stupid but what is biometric profiling ?

[bribones]

retinal scan, fingerprints etc i think blood sample as well if they get there own way

[Ell]

Rectal scans are the next step. And I know many people who would just have to look in the camera to get their\'s done.

They\'ll be wanting to know our Cap sizes next

[Edited on 3/12/2004 by Ell]

[Edited on 3/12/2004 by Ell]

[mark]

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They\'ll be wanting to know our Cap sizes next

best ask wor lass that one

[sless]

cap not CUP
hahaha

[Ell]

marks missus does wear caps over her breasts sless, they live inland after all as for where she sticks the cup. :P