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The process of killing it and then hauling it ashore to be weighed is deemed necessary to verify the record.
I'm seething, really, this is effing ludicrous. Isn't it about time we had the rules changed for record fish when it comes to vulnerable species like this? Why not length and girth measurements, take a DNA sample from a fin clipping and then tag and release it? This is no better than the old big game trophy hunters lining their walls with the heads of their kills.
Seriously we need to get the rules for records thoroughly revised, they're going against all our best efforts at conservation otherwise.
I think it comes simply down to the sustainability of the species in question, we have protected bass nurseries and they are bred and farmed in many places, I've also said all along with bass being slow growing that we need to be returning the larger fish to ensure they can breed.
Shark is a different matter, 18-35yrs estimated before a female becomes mature and scientists think a lifespan of upto around 80yrs, 2yrs gestation means they're reproductive rates are very low....
Ah now Paul, that is a completely different post to your first one, You did just fail to mention that you had been lead to believe that it was going to a restaurant. That does make a slightly different story. I very much doubt that it would be going to a restaurant as by the time it was all sorted out by "the powers that be" it would be absolutely minging lol. Do you have a link to the story about it going to a restaurant, I have read a couple of different stories about this (Similar though) and there has been no mention of it being used for food, you never know it could make a difference to some folk
I have been fishing for over thirty year and have caught a good few Bass over the years but have only ever kept three so I do know all about catch and release. At the moment in the north east there is not a lot of difference now between Bass and Codling in some places, so you would have to include them too
I still say that to compare the two is very difficult and when he caught it he had no intentions of supplying a restaurant with it either lol. It was all done for "The Record" something that should have gone out years ago. There is a person worse than the guy that caught it though IMO, and that would be the skipper of the boat. I bet it has brought him more bad publicity than good though, I would be disgusted if I was on a boat and the skipper said yes to keeping something like that
Jim.
Remember, some people are alive simply because it is illegal to shoot them.
might as well say, 2lb pollack, 2lb codling, 2lb anything. In national terms, there's plenty of bass in our waters still - based on the amount that the southern charter/private boats boats haul in on a regular basis
making a comparision with a 2lb bass and a creature that is so rare there are more of its relatives in the fossil record than there are alive is laughable
and we'll never ever be like the 'coarse guys' till the practice of match fishing is banned or completely turned upside down, there are probably thousands upon thousands of just 'in-size' fish slaughtered every year to make up bag weights, and I bet a very very small percentage of them ever see the table
Fish we see taken on this site though are sustainable and are going to the table (well bar the annual mackeral slaughter by chavs). Shark info I got off a couple of quick googles and the timing of this guys catch couldn't be worse when the IUCN had just announced that we're looking at a potential loss of 30% of shark species...
I think he should be given as much of a hard time as possible, this is not just any other fish, or a fish among loads of others that get despatched every day.
It is an extreme rarity, a one off, to lump it in with 'lots of other fish' shows know respect for the shark in question or fish in general
ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ.
Thought for the day:
Some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything but bring a smile to your face when thrown down the stairs
as willywetegg (jim)'s signature says some people are simply alive cause you cant shoot them defines my feelings towards those ignorant ****s on that boat i hope next time the same shark comes along pulls the ###ers in and enjoys a meal
I feel exactly the same about this as I do when I read through the angling mags and see the pictures of someone holding up a 5lb wrasse or 6lb mullett in someones back garden, when you know the minute the pictrues have been taken, the fish goes in the bin.....
It's maybe as Paul states, that the article only tells half the story and that the fish was then sold on for food to a local restaurant.....But then isn't that then why some commercials have an issue with RSA's when some fish are seemingly being sold for profit.
I like to read the bit where it says the fish was released unharmed in the mags.
With regards match fishing, it's the North East mentality in matches that needs to change. I am aware that the majority of matches further south are CMR, but with such large boundaries up here anlgers can fish where they please, which then creates the problem of how you record the fish
"And I looked, and behold'a pale horse; and his name that sat on him was death, and hell followed with hi, and power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword and with hunger, and with the beasts of the earth"
am not jumping on any bandwagon paul, just stating the fact that there is no difference in the shameful waste in this photo to some in magazines where upon something has been killed for nothing more than a couple of photographs or token trophy
As for cmr matches up this way....I don't think I have ever hear of one promoted or organised. We once discussed running an ASAC club match in such a way with a well known match angler heavily advocating the plus points and that it takes true skill to fish insuch a way. The old school types weren't interested though, and things continue as they did. In hindsight as a committee, we should have just told those against the idea, they either fished this way or didnt, fish this match, in which case they would have lost catch total at the end of the season
Funnily enough I was speaking to another NESA member a few months back and we discussed a CMR match over the summer months. No reason why they shouldn't work, it's just a case of people getting used to change.
"And I looked, and behold'a pale horse; and his name that sat on him was death, and hell followed with hi, and power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword and with hunger, and with the beasts of the earth"
Like I say, I used to organise one - sometimes two - a week, usually SAMF qualifiers as well as sweepstakes....and they weren't just in the Sunderland area - also had them from the beaches at Lynemouth and Druridge Bay.
They turned out to be very successful too in the end....I even had to disqualify one chap who caught a couple of codling to 6lbs in a match. He knocked 'em on the head and kept them in his bucket - for his tea like....but I said that the rules clearly stated that all fish were to be measured AND RELEASED to the water....he was not pleased I can tell you...
I tried explaining to him what was the point of running a cmr match if anglers were going to kill fish during it....he said I was an idiot if I thought ANY angler would return cod back to the sea....I told him they would in that match....
Lets get one thing straight here - I have said from the start that I personally would have returned the six gilled shark, but thats me - he wasn't breaking any laws, yet he faces a glut of abuse and condemnation....so be it - but I see know difference of killing that shark and someone walking off Roker Pier tonight, with two bin liners filled with mackerel....but again, my opinion.
True - there was no value in killing the shark - but isn't it about time the rules were changed on how records are claimed?
They do it with common skate - they aren't killed and brought back to the local butcher's shop and hung up on scales...they use a length, width and girth measurement - then used against a sliding scale, and are very accurate.
I hope the killing of the shark, may act as a lesson to all, especially those involved with recording record claims...and changes are made.
we as sea anglers are years behind the anglers of the freshwater kind - it's about time we caught up....
Well put Paul......I agree with you on all of that, and hopefully we can get the CMR matches as the norm here one day
"And I looked, and behold'a pale horse; and his name that sat on him was death, and hell followed with hi, and power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword and with hunger, and with the beasts of the earth"
personally its very rare a keep the fish a catch, as a fish for the fun and norm only keep fish if they cannot be returned and would never dream of killing somthing just to prove that av caught it or didnt have a camera at the time also for record puposes and wouldnt kill a load of fish just to weigh them in to win a comp(not wanting to cause argument just my opinion) but a think there is a big difference beetween this shark and smaller fish which certain ones might be pretty scarce but compared to this shark are very common. as said though a dont agree with people keepin silly amounts of cod, bass etc even mackerel but there is no law against it, so as long as the fish is of size, not goin to waste and a sensible amount taken a think they deserve a welldone
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