Fox Hunting Ban

[micky-quayle]

Most of the posts so far have been to voice views AGAINST hunting with dogs. I may be wrong (and I\'m sure Brian will tell me if I am), but I think the original question being posed was more about the future of fishing and how the vote on the banning of hunting with dogs may affect angling in the future ???

Regarding the \"poor analogy\".........I think your (and the other PROs)r argument FOR is pretty poor. also, Micky.

However, we\'ll agree to disagree on that.



[Edited on 15/9/2004 by TC]

right, well getting back to the question of fishing and the antis, it is worrying to me that in many areas of the country now livebaiting has been banned for piking after pressure from groups such as pices and peta have been taken notice of. its the thin edge of the wedge, if its made illegal to stick hooks in a fish and cast it out how long before it is made illegal to hook a fish and wind it in.
it really is a worry, a lot of my spare time is spent piking on remote scottish lochs on my own in a bivvy miles from anywhere, what chance would i have if a dozen of these antis came down, remember a lot of these loons put the life of a fish above the life of a human !

ps. best debate on the board for a long time this !

[Edited on 15/9/2004 by micky-quayle]

[Ell]

Mickey, are you really trying to tell me that the best way to control the fox is to drink sherry and be rich, or hang around the horses arses looking for you families chin, before taking off with a big gang of barely controllable dogs on a smaller gang of expensive and subjugated horses to then crash through hedgerows (ahem.. natural habitat) roll full steam through private property (Trespass you country ****ers, you know that thing we do when we step foot on a square inch of your inherited property) blocking roads and scaring kids.
I suggest with respect you talk ****e.

I know you try most baits with the pike, why not Dynamite or Arsenic. Pest control innit.

[Edited on 15/9/2004 by Ell]

[mark]

a lot depends upon your definition of efficient, hunting with dogs will never its true reduce significantly the overall population of foxes in this country (i know some huntsmen claim this but its bollix, a bit like the \"one that got away\" man in fishing) but it is efficient at controlling specific problem foxes in specific areas. farmers on a whole are not bothered about the number of foxes as long as they don\'t affect his livelyhood.
the only way forward is to have a regulatory body set up that will weed out bad hunts and either bring them to heel or close them down. hunting is like most sports you do get a few bad apples.

there may be somne efficiency to it, but efficient is a fairly broad spectrum.

One thing for sure it will never be as a efficeitn as .22 round from 500yds

I grew up in and live in \'hunting\' country

have you seen how much damage 80 hounds and 30 horses can do?? If you own the land and some one else has \'hunting rights\' tough titty. so you just spent 10 grand on land drainage and have just planted... the hunting with hounds brigade don\'t give a hoot. All the farmers I know would much rather despatch an itinerant fox with a rifle. Foxes taking lambs is another myth. It is very very rare. foxes will take smaller animals rabiits etc - a pest that does need controlling, or take carrion. the only excepetion being foxes are partial to chickens. sit outside the coop with a twelve bore and the foxe wont last long.

the difference between fox hunting and fishing, yes we are all hunting, is the social divide. fishing seems to have little in the way of class distinction (salmon fishing possibly excepted) whereas I believe the hunting with hounds brigade by the way the present themselves and their attitude to anyone that gets in their way set themselves up for a fall a long time ago

[Ell]

last one i seen had the personality of a cooked dinner

LOL BUT comments like that don\'t help mate. Fish are Living things they do have living stuff going on in them, I guess they do feel pain. This is irrelevant to the debate. If it came down to pain then Maccky D et all would be off the list. we\'ve all caught carrier bags in our time (little or no central nervous system) but you wouldn\'t deliberatley target them, mind with a bit of piri piri sauce tastes just like squid.

[Ell]

Apologies to Mickey due, it\'s your opinion on this particular issue I\'m vexed with mate.

[micky-quayle]

Mickey, are you really trying to tell me that the best way to control the fox is to drink sherry and be rich, or hang around the horses arses looking for you families chin, before taking off with a big gang of barely controllable dogs on a smaller gang of expensive and subjugated horses to then crash through hedgerows (ahem.. natural habitat) roll full steam through private property (Trespass you country ****ers, you know that thing we do when we step foot on a square inch of your inherited property) blocking roads and scaring kids.
I suggest with respect you talk ****e.

I know you try most baits with the pike, why not Dynamite or Arsenic. Pest control innit.

[Edited on 15/9/2004 by Ell]

its true that most hunts are run by the wealthy but it is not only them who take part in hunts many \"ordinary\"(if thats the right word to use) country folk take part too.
it must not also be forgotten the much needed boost the hunts money makes to the rural economy, we are messing with peoples livlihoods here, the knock on effect goes right through the rural economy.
seems to me you have an axe to grind with the rich, i treat everyone the same be they homeless or the queen. this class divide issue is irrelevent.
and as for the bit about dynamite or arsenic, whats that all about !!!!!!!!
and the bit about talking sh**e thats rich after reading a few of your posts over the years. pot kettle black are three words that come to mind, with respect ell.

[micky-quayle]

appologies due to ell, i think we\'re all getting a little heated, good craic tho.

[TC]

Yep, \"good craic\"........let\'s not spoil the debate by getting personal, though

[TC]

I think that on the issue, you can have either of 3 views;
1. Pro hunting with dogs
2. Anti hunting with dogs
3. Couldn\'t care, either way

I very much doubt that ANY amount of agruing for / against will make anybody change their original view.
So if we\'re gonna continue this, let\'s just state our views and keep it civil, please.

[micky-quayle]

anyway back to fishing since we seem to be getting side tracked.
a question for everyone.
do you think at any point in the future the antis could ever get enough support to threaten an angling ban.
my take on it for what its worth is i can not see a time when fishing will be banned but i can see a time when a lot of restictions will be placed upon us and a gradual errosion of our rights will happen, they may not be able to stop us fishing but could become a major pain in the butt. concede no ground to them make them fight for every inch !

[mark]

...ordinary country folk

whats one of them then?? Is that the ordinary country folk than can afford to own a thorobred hunter, all the tack, silly clothes, horse box and 4x4 to tow it with??

shagging sheep don\'t pay what it used to out here you know

Ordinary country folk are skint, maybe a have a few beers in the pub each week and if they owned a horse would possibly eat it.

I live in the middle of ordinairy (but not necessarily \'normal\') country folk and none of em are ever invited to take part in the local hunts, they have had there own dogs attacked by the the hounds and there land ripped to **** in the due process of \'efficient fox control\' however.

As long as they don\'t ban badger baiting as well I don\'t care

[Ell]

It\'s possible Mickey! Unlikely but ........... hey stranger things have happened.

[mark]

hunting with hounds needs to go

shooting/stalking ok with that

fishing for the table ok with that

poaching other peoples salmon... damn thats illegal all ready

firing me pea shooter out the car winddow at traffic wardens OK with that

[TC]

Possible?....yes.......likely?....no.

But I think Micky\'s right about the creeping restrictions.

[Ell]

Don\'t get other animals to do you\'re dirty work!

Err apart from live sandeels (other)
Raptors
Retreivers
Terriers

That\'s blown that smart arse comment out of the windy. sounded good at the time.