Fox Hunting Ban

[sless]

just sent a lovely e mail to them

[micky-quayle]

sless,
if you\'ve sent them an email be very carefull with any emails with file attachments that you recieve in the next couple of weeks, one of their sabbing stratagies against anglers is sending email viruses, you have been warned. this lot are pure utter b**tards who will stop at nothing.

[sless]

i sent one ages ago

they reported me to my isp server and i got a warning about sending e-mails of the content i did

i was careful this time

no swearing

just putting my point over

thanks anyway micky

[mark]

As Oscar Wilde once said of fx hunting \"the unspeakable chasing the uneatable\"

never though I\'d see oscar wilde quoted on NESA!

angling won\'t be banned - ever. Its worth too much money to the economy. It might get a load of stupid restrictions imposed on it and taxed by proxy through licencing, but it won\'t be banned, and I can\'t see a ban being enforcable.

a bunch of people called jocasta and tarquin in bright red clothing running around on horses with 80 dogs at their feet stand out a bit more than some lowly angler on the rocks in the middle of nowhere.

ban their sport and poach their salmon i say!

[bribones]

fox hunting with dogs is very selective

i cant agree with that ,its in the nature of the dog to hunt foxes ,its what its been trained for,therefor once the dogs pick up the scent the dog cant decide if its a old or weak fox itl just go for it ,as for reducing numbers i dont see the need for it,a farmer using other methods to protect stock fair enough all the hunters are doing is protecting there way of life,i used to work on a farm up kirkley hall way and very rare was the case of a fox taking a lamb the ferral cats were a bigger problem,if you had something in your tackle box that was no use youd get rid,same goes for fox hunting no use get rid

[micky-quayle]

bribones,
fox hunting with dogs is very selective, true the pack will chase any fox it picks the scent up from but generally the young fitter foxes escape the hounds but the older weaker sickly ones have a much greater chance of being caught (the very ones that tend to cause farmers problems)
as i stated previously it is the best way to control problem foxes, if it is banned we will see methods such as poisoning widely used which will dramatically reduce fox numbers whether they are a problem or not, not to mention the other species that would also take the bait.
lets face it we wouldn\'t like it if sudenly the use of live peeler crab was banned on the grounds of cruelty, after all we dismember them while they are still alive, the antis would turn around and say the use of live crab was uneccassary to catch fish and other methods could be used, to a degree this would be true but you and i both know other methods would not normally be as effective.

[Hiram.A.Biff]

Im in a bit of a quandry on this one, I have both fors and againsts for fox hunting. Ive done quite a bit of hunting with dogs in my time, tho not foxhunting. I used to lamp rabbits and hares, and was once offered £30 per fox pelt from a farmer.I wont say where. to get to my point, I have seen anti anglers threaten violence a toward a young lad at Leazes lake, they threw his rod and box into the lake, spineless *******s, but at least they were arrested soon after.
I think we will be targeted one day, as for now, Labour isnt trying to save foxes, just their own fat ar5e5

[TC]

\" the older weaker sickly ones have a much greater chance of being caught (the very ones that tend to cause farmers problems)\"

So it\'s OK for the hounds to tear those ones to bits, then ???

Can\'t really see the difference between that and the recent incident in Shields where a puppy was thrown around and kicked about on a football pitch for the \"sport\" and enjoyment of 3 teenage yobs, meself. The puppy being 6 weeks old and needing to be put down by a vet due to severe brain damage it sustained.

[Edited on 15/9/2004 by TC]

[BriH]

[quote]if they wanna call it pest control fine hunt em and shoot em,im not fussed either way- quote

seems you have two views on this now bribones-to say \"Get rid\" when likely, your much like myself (and possibly 80-90% on here) WE dont know the rules and to be HONEST with OURSELVES dont really give a Sh*t about a FOX- i posted this topic this morning while getting my Two daughters ready for School- and my Six year old picked up on it while watching the telly - \"does this mean you wont be able to fish,Dad\"only because someone mentioned US LOT(fishermen) in their WAR to keep what they do for a Hobby seem more acceptable- hence the post in the first place- Bribones you EITHER hunt or dont , and be rest assured that now the Antis have got their way ,(after MANY Years campaigning) they are now turning the Spotlight on us- and as for people saying that fishing will not be banned - Who Knows with this Government/future leaders.

[mark]

Can\'t really see the difference between that and the recent incident in Shields where a puppy was thrown around and kicked about on a football pitch for the \"sport\" and enjoyment of 3 teenage yobs, meself. The puppy being 6 weeks old and needing to be put down by a vet due to severe brain damage it sustained.

[Edited on 15/9/2004 by TC]

No difference at all mate.

hunting with dogs supposedly being more efficient. complete load of ****e. If it were all about controlling numbers, then why is a fox hunt such a big social occasion??? Why do they have to dress up like ****s?? Why do you have to pay money to take part in a great many hunts??

If it has to be with dogs, then a couple of lurchers trained to sniff out a fox, with just one handler would do the same job. Read the history of the sport. Why were fox hounds bread?? as a hunting dog they are useless. they were introduced in the 18th century for the then prince of wales (George III) because he was a such a fat drunk german git that he coulddn\'y keep up with the usual mix of deer hounds, and the fox hound being slower in pursuit, is less likely to catch its prey as quick so they enjoyment of the hunter is prolonged and fatty george can get a few more jugs of port down his neck

Pheasant were introduced to this country around the same time as they were the only game bird stupid enough to stand still long enough so the prince regent had a chance of shooting em!

[BriH]

TC-there is Two differances ,the first is the yobs ,who i would put in some kind of jail where they get a daily booting in the head and the other is WHERE were the OWNERS of such a small defenceless puppy

BOTH to do with HUMANS not how fit a fox is - The law of nature applies -if your fit you dont need to mope about farmers hen coops-if your a bit old (near the lighthouse LOL lets say) keep an eye oot for posh *****rs in red Tunics cos there after you one day soon. :P :P

[micky-quayle]

\" the older weaker sickly ones have a much greater chance of being caught (the very ones that tend to cause farmers problems)\"

So it\'s OK for the hounds to tear those ones to bits, then ???

Can\'t really see the difference between that and the recent incident in Shields where a puppy was thrown around and kicked about on a football pitch for the \"sport\" and enjoyment of 3 teenage yobs, meself. The puppy being 6 weeks old and needing to be put down by a vet due to severe brain damage it sustained.

[Edited on 15/9/2004 by TC]

a big difference tony, is the little puppy was no threat to anyones livlyhood it was just gatuitous violence to a totally inocent creature.
the older weak and sickly fox that is starting to prey upon domestic farm animals is a different kettle of fish. have you ever winessed the aftermath of a fox amongst chickens the fox kills, eats its fill then continues to kill every chicken there although not hungry any more. this is a fact not just hearsay or rumour.
i\'m afraid the analogy is a poor one tony !

[TC]

Most of the posts so far have been to voice views AGAINST hunting with dogs. I may be wrong (and I\'m sure Brian will tell me if I am), but I think the original question being posed was more about the future of fishing and how the vote on the banning of hunting with dogs may affect angling in the future ???

Regarding the \"poor analogy\".........I think your (and the other PROs)r argument FOR is pretty poor. also, Micky.

However, we\'ll agree to disagree on that.



[Edited on 15/9/2004 by TC]

[micky-quayle]

Can\'t really see the difference between that and the recent incident in Shields where a puppy was thrown around and kicked about on a football pitch for the \"sport\" and enjoyment of 3 teenage yobs, meself. The puppy being 6 weeks old and needing to be put down by a vet due to severe brain damage it sustained.

[Edited on 15/9/2004 by TC]

No difference at all mate.

hunting with dogs supposedly being more efficient. complete load of ****e. If it were all about controlling numbers, then why is a fox hunt such a big social occasion??? Why do they have to dress up like ****s?? Why do you have to pay money to take part in a great many hunts??

If it has to be with dogs, then a couple of lurchers trained to sniff out a fox, with just one handler would do the same job. Read the history of the sport. Why were fox hounds bread?? as a hunting dog they are useless. they were introduced in the 18th century for the then prince of wales (George III) because he was a such a fat drunk german git that he coulddn\'y keep up with the usual mix of deer hounds, and the fox hound being slower in pursuit, is less likely to catch its prey as quick so they enjoyment of the hunter is prolonged and fatty george can get a few more jugs of port down his neck

Pheasant were introduced to this country around the same time as they were the only game bird stupid enough to stand still long enough so the prince regent had a chance of shooting em!

a lot depends upon your definition of efficient, hunting with dogs will never its true reduce significantly the overall population of foxes in this country (i know some huntsmen claim this but its bollix, a bit like the \"one that got away\" man in fishing) but it is efficient at controlling specific problem foxes in specific areas. farmers on a whole are not bothered about the number of foxes as long as they don\'t affect his livelyhood.
the only way forward is to have a regulatory body set up that will weed out bad hunts and either bring them to heel or close them down. hunting is like most sports you do get a few bad apples.

[BriH]

Yep your not wrong TC- that was the main reason of the First post ,but i still find it Weird that some of us can put OUR Sport in a differant \"pigeon hole\" to that of Hunting with dogs, WE either Hunt OR Dont ,as we all know that we are being looked at ,even my mates who are not into either are asking when i am selling my gear p*ss taking tw*ts :P :P