worlds best ever

[Pighunter]

Even messi knew he didn't deserve it when he went to collect it lol

[OuTkast76]

Listen to myself because I answered all your opinions with facts?? lol you say 2 other players deserved it more than him and I asked how

I think the look on Messi's face etc when he collected it was more so the fact that his team had just lost a world cup final

[garyp]

Listen to myself because I answered all your opinions with facts?? lol you say 2 other players deserved it more than him and I asked how

I think the look on Messi's face etc when he collected it was more so the fact that his team had just lost a world cup final

FACTS?? Lol

the original question was

"would you say Lionel Messi is the worlds best ever player"

I have stated my "OPINION" as to why I don't think he is?

Purely looking at the 2014 WC

I have stated why I don't think he was the best player at this years world cup, and off the top of my head came up with two names who I "THINK" deserve it more.

RODRIGUEZ scored more goals and made more assists than Messi, playing TWO games less, and in a worse side.

Muller, same amount of games as Messi, more goals and more assists against arguably better opposition, and went on to lift the WC.

I could trawl through stats all day, but even a blind man could see that Messi didn't deserve to be given "player of the tournament". You are in a very small minority of people that think he deserved it like.

Messi has been at the top of his game for years at Barca, but has been "poor" by his own high standards this season, and also in the world cup.

He also has never played outside of Barca, a team that was basically built around him with some of the best players available.

So that is the reason that in my "OPINION" he isn't the best player the world has seen.

[Pighunter]

Plus for stats before the final he had ran over 2000 yards less than the rest of his team mates. He is lazy and expects the ball to come to him, the final he beat players yes but did not create any chances as his delivery was poor. The biggest thing I think about messi is the referees tend to protect him, for all he doesn't dive and doesn't try and get booked he does get a lot of free kicks that were touch and go.

[OuTkast76]

Yes facts LOL
1. you said you never seen him walk through players like they weren't there when he clearly did in every single game
2. you said all he done was the odd cameo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywNzeErq11M

There you go a video of his "odd few cameos" and plenty others to see against every team they played as you clearly never watched all their games

So what if he has never played outside of Barcelona, Loads of players have spent there carreers at 1 single club look at Giggs and as said your'e only as good as a team around you i'm damn sure no player would flourish in a team of poor players, People mention Ronaldo..he was at Barcelona with some great players and he didn't do half as much as Messi has done there

Lol so the best player of the tournament solely goes on goals and assists..Ermm i think you will find that's what the Golden boot if for

And as for Rodriguez scoring 2 more and 1 more assist...Looks at the teams they played compared to Argentina, Easier group and Uruguay's rock solid defence lol and the 2 "extra" games were against Holland and Germany, Neraly every goal from Argentina was started by Messi but I guess its the same as 86 when Maradonna won it..nobody liked it because nobody liked him

[OuTkast76]

Plus for stats before the final he had ran over 2000 yards less than the rest of his team mates. He is lazy and expects the ball to come to him, the final he beat players yes but did not create any chances as his delivery was poor. The biggest thing I think about messi is the referees tend to protect him, for all he doesn't dive and doesn't try and get booked he does get a lot of free kicks that were touch and go.

Lol what players dont, At least he gets up after he has been chopped, I have seen bad challenges on him where he gets up..unlike the Ronaldos etc of the world

[Pighunter]

Lol what players dont, At least he gets up after he has been chopped, I have seen bad challenges on him where he gets up..unlike the Ronaldos etc of the world

Yea agree he doesn't try to get people booked but does get looked after,

[OuTkast76]

High profile players do, More so than others anyway

[garyp]

Yes facts LOL
1. you said you never seen him walk through players like they weren't there when he clearly did in every single game
2. you said all he done was the odd cameo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywNzeErq11M

There you go a video of his "odd few cameos" and plenty others to see against every team they played as you clearly never watched all their games

So what if he has never played outside of Barcelona, Loads of players have spent there carreers at 1 single club look at Giggs and as said your'e only as good as a team around you i'm damn sure no player would flourish in a team of poor players, People mention Ronaldo..he was at Barcelona with some great players and he didn't do half as much as Messi has done there

Lol so the best player of the tournament solely goes on goals and assists..Ermm i think you will find that's what the Golden boot if for

And as for Rodriguez scoring 2 more and 1 more assist...Looks at the teams they played compared to Argentina, Easier group and Uruguay's rock solid defence lol and the 2 "extra" games were against Holland and Germany, Neraly every goal from Argentina was started by Messi but I guess its the same as 86 when Maradonna won it..nobody liked it because nobody liked him

lol

ok

Good on you for sticking to your guns mate. Its your opinion, don't let anyone try to change your mind on it.

[OuTkast76]

lol

ok

Good on you for sticking to your guns mate. Its your opinion, don't let anyone try to change your mind on it.

I won lmao

Yep people always have a difference of opinion

[garyp]

Aye, I'm saving meself for the mackem onslaught in a couple of weeks time

[garyp]

oh

BBC Sport - World Cup 2014: Lionel Messi Golden Ball surprised Sepp Blatter

[LiamNE]

oh

BBC Sport - World Cup 2014: Lionel Messi Golden Ball surprised Sepp Blatter

Yes, I thought it would have something to do with a marketing ploy.

Still he had a good tournament, just disappointing by his ridiculously high standards...that said, still would not have gave him the golden ball no way.

[OuTkast76]

oh

BBC Sport - World Cup 2014: Lionel Messi Golden Ball surprised Sepp Blatter

They have opinions the same as we do, Just because he is FIFA president doesnt make his opinion anymore valid than anyone elses, 15 people decided he was the best in the tournament and there will always be conflicts of opinion no matter who won it.
I dont think Rodriguez will complain about it after getting the golden boot

[primo-andy]

messi is the best player in the world alan hansen said he was the best player he had ever seen kick a ball.

messi is a genius with a ball and been marked by sometimes 3 players tells u something he is the best player in the world his club records tell u that.

yes he may not have been on fire in the world cup form is temporary class is permanant and he class.