worlds best ever

[lead chucker]

If he hasn't done it on an international level who has then,

[Pighunter]

There is not many IMO fat Ronaldo proved his self internationally as did pele,

[OuTkast76]

But to be world class you need to do it at world level I.e internationally which he hasn't done yet. Is he the best striker in the world at the min? Possibly but world class not yet

How hast he? Im pretty sure one of your posts said yes internationally but not club level but now you say not internationally?
He has scored over 40 goals for his country and scored against most of the best defenders in the world, If he isnt world class then who is?

[Pighunter]

No messi has done it at club level but not internationally scoring in international game is one thing but look at his World Cup records.

[Pighunter]

Last 2 world cups he has scored the grand total of 1 goal??

[garyp]

Last 2 world cups he has scored the grand total of 1 goal??

Only slightly better than altidore then!!

[Pighunter]

Only slightly better than altidore then!!

Never as good a the big fella

[OuTkast76]

Last 2 world cups he has scored the grand total of 1 goal??

Lol 2006 world cup he played a grand total of 74 minutes and 2010 higuain and tevez were the main 2 strikers and they only played 4-5 games and 3 this year so 5 goals in 8 world cup games isnt bad especially for someone that plays behind the 2 strikers

[OuTkast76]

There is not many IMO fat Ronaldo proved his self internationally as did pele,

Fat Ronaldo didnt score half as many as messi at club level, Its the same level of football and pretty much the same players you play against in the world cup and he is only 20 goals behind Ronaldo at international level and also when you look at the players Ronaldo had around him in the Brazil team no wonder he scored goals, Messi hasnt got players of that calibre around him

[Juliogeordio]

Got to disagree with some comments, IMO to be a world class player you have to do it on the world class stage with the pressure of the World Cup as well as all the world class players. Messi has not proved himself on an international level yet 89 games and 49 goals world class? Don't think so.

I think that strike rate playing for a not brilliant Argentinian team is world class mate.... Bare in mind he had played in a very weak argy team for a good few years aswell.... Not bad!

[ChrisH]

Who has said scoring goals determine the best player in this topic??

You are mate. Every post you've made in this thread so far you've mentioned goal scoring records.

[OuTkast76]

You are mate. Every post you've made in this thread so far you've mentioned goal scoring records.

LOl clearly you cant read..I never once said his goals make him world class, I also mentioned awards like ballon d'or, world cup medal and olympic gold medal and other records he broke not just goals scored so try reading again
Also i would love to know what the players you mentioned have done to make them better than messi? Im not saying they werent but obviously you think they were so what makes them better?

[ChrisH]

I have read your posts very carefully; here are some quotes from them;

all time top scorer with close to 400 goals,

He has set more records than any player of our generation including most goals in a european season..73 goals in a single season against top class opposition and 50 of them were in the league against the likes of real madrid.

He is also the first ever player to score a goal against every single team in the league consecutively,

He has scored over 40 goals for his country and scored against most of the best defenders in the world,

Quite a few references to scoring goals. So clearly you must think it is very important to deciding who is "the best ever".

[OuTkast76]

I have read your posts very carefully; here are some quotes from them;

all time top scorer with close to 400 goals,

He has set more records than any player of our generation including most goals in a european season..73 goals in a single season against top class opposition and 50 of them were in the league against the likes of real madrid.

He is also the first ever player to score a goal against every single team in the league consecutively,

He has scored over 40 goals for his country and scored against most of the best defenders in the world,

Quite a few references to scoring goals. So clearly you must think it is very important to deciding who is "the best ever".

And if you did read they were replies to other posts about his poor record for his country...its called facts and data and yes it is an important factor and obviously you missed the other awards i mentioned NOT JUST GOALS, so again tell me what does determine the best ever player and what makes the players you mentioned better than messi because i would love to hear it?
Fact is that football is about scoring goals which he does as well as get a lot of assists

[Juliogeordio]

Emile Heskey and Titus Bramble... Surely one of those two must have been the best player ever?