Tribute to Mandela

[mark]

sorry, but a disagree, the bloke serverd 27 year's because he spoke up 4 his people. a never ever heard of the man been found guilty of any atrocitie's toward's mankind. he served his time , which he should'nt have searved.
to put him in the same frame as "talliban" i find discusting. but that's just me.

he wasn't found guilty - he pleaded guilty

he was the commander in chief of the armed wing of the ANC. He organised, chose targets and gave the orders (just like Osama). the number of dead following the attacks he ordered is many hundreds, possibly over a 1000, the true figure is not known

he was tried for 156 seperate attacks and he pleaded guilty to every single one - the guilty plea meant he dodged the death penalty

once released and in power you'd think his goal would be peace and spending to support 'his people' he spent many many billions on weaponry and munitions that was 'promised' to rebuild the slum townships where millions of 'his people' still leave in squalor - the money went on arms almost 40 billion dollars worth. Since Mandela took over, South Africa has become a Third World country. It went from being the safest country in Africa, to being the rape and murder capital of the world. In Johannesburg, 5,000 people are murdered every year. Unemployment went from 5% in 1994 to 50% today.

Two of the ANC’s biggest donors, right through to the late 90's, were Colonel Muammar Gaddafi of Libya and President Suharto of Indonesia

aafter his release he was filmed promoting the killing of whites and even sang a nice song about it in 2008! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fcOXqFQw2hc

and what of the 3000 plus that were 'necklaced' a burning petrol filled tyre around the neck. he and winnie were fond of that one and no charges were ever brought - he was president when a the full picture of necklacing came out, - it quietly went away. strange huh?

since 1994 68000 whites have been tortured and murdered in south africa. Almost all uninvestigated

Nelson was a lot of thing - a latter day Ghandi the media want everyone to believe, he definitely is not

[fish fingers]

marvelous man in away but like all leaders and politicians monarchy etc.. one word CORRUPT

[Davey1970]

am entitled 2 my opiniun. we'll talk 2morro, are u a racist. ?

[mick303]

good riddance to another dead terrorist

its funny how the media and anyone wanting a bit of cheap PR have forgotten that the guy went to jail for bombing public places, killing heaps of women and children, executing those he didn't like by tying them to a lamp post, putting a tyre round their necks, filling it with petrol and setting it alight.

At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Scores of innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists in shopping centres and cinemas

Even amnesty international wouldn't touch him when he was locked up.

the man was a fecking terrorist by any definition of the word, right to the very end he refused to denounce the violence he was part of and never apologised for any of the lives he took

although I don't agree with ur" good riddance" comment mark ( a bit harsh haha) I agree with you 100% I said exactly the same thing to our lass, he was a terrorist, no different to the ira ( no surrender!) he might have done some good after his release from prison but he was no saint!

[mick303]

good riddance to another dead terrorist

its funny how the media and anyone wanting a bit of cheap PR have forgotten that the guy went to jail for bombing public places, killing heaps of women and children, executing those he didn't like by tying them to a lamp post, putting a tyre round their necks, filling it with petrol and setting it alight.

At his trial, he had pleaded guilty to 156 acts of public violence including mobilising terrorist bombing campaigns, which planted bombs in public places, including the Johannesburg railway station. Scores of innocent people, including women and children, were killed by Nelson Mandela’s MK terrorists in shopping centres and cinemas

Even amnesty international wouldn't touch him when he was locked up.

the man was a fecking terrorist by any definition of the word, right to the very end he refused to denounce the violence he was part of and never apologised for any of the lives he took

although I don't agree with ur" good riddance" comment mark ( a bit harsh haha) I agree with you 100% I said exactly the same thing to our lass, he was a terrorist, no different to the ira ( no surrender!) he might have done some good after his release from prison but he was no saint!

[mick303]

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[mick303]

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[EFC FOREVER]

If the media were to portray him as a terrorist which he was by his own admission ...... they would be in the wrong in the social eye .....
The man was brave enuff to murder 1000s of people for what he beleived in but not to die for his belief's. Bin laden althought I did and still do despise him and his followers they only did/doing what mandella and his followers did back then and him and many others are classed as heros for killing innocent women and kids
Please please people wake up and smell the bulls@it that they are feeding ya. If the man was to plead not guilty to all the charges fair enuff he would of been a man who dies for his beliefs however wrong they may of been but no he couldnt do that so did the man die a hero or a coward ??? Is this the reason they put a bullet in binladens head so in 27 years he crnt come out of jail as a hero???? Before anyone thinks it or asks I aint a racist not by a long way

[Winton]

The bloke only wanted a democratic society look at all the murders collataral damage the uk and usa forces cause in wars today how do we justify it just look back blacks got treat like **** less than 100years ago we still had them in chains

[fishingmark]

only by the 'freedom fighter' analogy

Ok, fair enough but as I have said before, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter and Mandela was a freedom fighter for me.
I've no doubt in the coming months there will be plenty in the media about the other side of Mandela, it will be up to people to weigh things up and make their own minds up about him.
While I do have great admiration for the man I also can't stand the blanket coverage in the media, I find it mawkish and a bit sickly.

[Winton]

Well i think its how the world works without violence we cant have peace

[mark]

rhetoric aside, bring it closer to home and how would folks be feeling in gerry adams or martin mcguiness pegged it and the media became obsessed with it, endless rounds of 'they were men of peace did great things' etc

no difference. a terrorist is a terrorist and those 2 lads are amateur by comparison to mandela

[moocher]

[QUOTE=mark;646024]rhetoric aside, bring it closer to home and how would folks be feeling in gerry adams or martin mcguiness pegged it and the media became obsessed with it, endless rounds of 'they were men of peace did great things' etc

no difference. a terrorist is a terrorist and those 2 lads are amateur by comparison to mandela[/QUOT what do you think about Stephen bantu biko

[The Great Wallsendo]

Profoundly irritated somebody played the race card because opinions ran contrary to the hysteria

The two clowns in Sinn Fein are just as hypocritical...although on a somewhat reduced scale!