Rough grounds:up and over or pulley rigs

[buitrechico]

Hi,
These two rigs work in the same way when retrieving (with a fish on the hook, the lead is coming first and away from the seabed).
I prefer the up and over rig because the risk of snood stretching is avoided during the shock of a powerful cast (I use springs on the snood /mainline attachement).In the pulley rigs mainline and snood share the stretching.Also,if you don't use a Breakaway Proper Pulley or a Fox Pulley bead or similars that bends the line at a far less acute angle than a standard swivel., you've got the problem of "line kinking".
What's your opinion?
Of course, if you're fishing rough grounds, you can use a rotten bottom rig,but that's not the point this time.
Richard

[philh]

Hi mate not much help here ! but today i was fishing some rough ground in s/w scotland abbey burnfoot along with sammy the seal .I fished the pully rig with a Breakaway Proper Pulley and a canny link with six ounces and a rotten bottom my main problem was getting the bait to release some times it was returning wrapped up in the weaker link 8lb rotton bottom ? not used to this rough ground lol ....sorry i cant help you but any ideas why im tangling ???????

[buitrechico]

Hi mate not much help here ! but today i was fishing some rough ground in s/w scotland abbey burnfoot along with sammy the seal .I fished the pully rig with a Breakaway Proper Pulley and a canny link with six ounces and a rotten bottom my main problem was getting the bait to release some times it was returning wrapped up in the weaker link 8lb rotton bottom ? not used to this rough ground lol ....sorry i cant help you but any ideas why im tangling ???????

I think the snood length you use(from the swivel to the hook) is too long and that's the reason why it returns wrapped up in the weaker line.If you hold the proper pulley with your fingers and let the lead hang down,where is the hook situated considering the lead position? If it's situated below the lead, the snood length is too long.Do you use a swivel for shockleader/Proper Pulley attachement? If not, the rig may become tangled when retrieving especially if you use a fixed spool reel.About bait releasing failure,I never tried canny links,so I can't help you.
I also think that the Breakaway Proper Pulleys are prone to tangle because of the twin link clip supplied.Many anglers use to replace the twin link for Gemini link clips or Breakaway similars.Hope this helps.Richard

[philh]

I think the snood length you use(from the swivel to the hook) is too long and that's the reason why it returns wrapped up in the weaker line.If you hold the proper pulley with your fingers and let the lead hang down,where is the hook situated considering the lead position? If it's situated below the lead, the snood length is too long.Do you use a swivel for shockleader/Proper Pulley attachement? If not, the rig may become tangled when retrieving especially if you use a fixed spool reel.About bait releasing failure,I never tried canny links,so I can't help you.
I also think that the Breakaway Proper Pulleys are prone to tangle because of the twin link clip supplied.Many anglers use to replace the twin link for Gemini link clips or Breakaway similars.Hope this helps.Richard

Thanks Richard i will have a change about i think and get some gemini links
cheers phil