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I dont see the confusion here. I thought we had already reached a consensus. My understanding was that leopard spots from any location would be one species, drab looking local slugs with 3 beards another, so one way or the other we are drawing a distinction between 3 beard and shore, and then the 5 beard is a 3rd species.
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Im a firm believer we get shore rocklings in the north east
that map showing shore rockling distribution has to be wrong there is no way that they would be confined to such a small area
It would be wrong to dismiss all "3bd" as undeveloped 5 bd'sspecies 2013 - codling, whiting, dab, lesser spotted dogfish, spurdog, flounder, shore rockling, 5bd rockling, long spined sea scorpion, ballan wrasse, pollock, coalfish .......
species hunt to date......... Mackerel, Codling, Whiting, Pouting, LS Sea Scorpion, Shore Rockling, Sprat, Dab, Flounder, Bass, 5 bd Rockling, 3 bd Rockling, Turbot, Eelpout, Pollock, Lesser Weever, Plaice, Lesser Spotted Dogfish, Spurdog, Ballan Wrasse, Coalfish.......TBC!!Comment
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Well I honestly don't think anyone has a 3b rockling & that the majority are shore rockling, I'll post this link again so you can see coloration
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Have to say I agree with this and also think most so-called 3B are in truth shore rockling. All the 3B I've had in the NE have had pretty distinctive colouration like this one from last years hunt:Originally posted by Bassboyo View Post
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We need a biologist. My pretty wee heed's getting confused. Does anyone know any marine biologists?
PBs...Cod 8lb2oz.. Turbot 3lb2oz.. Whiting 1lb8oz.. Coalie 1lb9oz.. Flounder 1lb7oz.. Dab 15oz.. Plaice 13oz.. Bass 1lb 6ozComment
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So 5B and shore rockling look like slugs n the 3B hav the coloration?
Btw are sandeels fish?Species 2013 : crabs, wartsComment
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Yes , sand eels are fish & you can enter them. I can see another "headache " though between greater & lesser sand eels oh and don't forget the smooth lolOriginally posted by Wee Ver View PostComment
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Stewart your pic shows light spots on a dark background which is the colouration for a shore rockling (see pic below from LRSAC website). I don't think it's a 3B as that would be dark spots on a light background. Did you catch it in the north east?Originally posted by Stewart 1971 View PostHave to say I agree with this and also think most so-called 3B are in truth shore rockling. All the 3B I've had in the NE have had pretty distinctive colouration like this one from last years hunt:
LRSAC Shore Rockling pic
LRSAC 3B Rockling picLast edited by Thunderpants; 20-06-2013, 09:15 AM.Comment
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Yes I agree that nobody has caught a 3B but think they are 5B not shore rockling.Originally posted by Bassboyo View PostComment
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I think we could discuss this for ever and not come to a definite conclusion. Maybe the only way would be if your pic shows five barbules then 5b it is if it only shows three then a shore rockling unless it has distinct 3b markingsOriginally posted by Thunderpants View PostComment
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Shore rockling's don't come this far north, its simple, same as other fish that don't come this far north, the problem is not with identifying the species, its with the angles and quality of the photo's supplied here.
The solution is really simple, if you catch a 5b rockling, put the fish on its belly then you arrange the barbels so they stick out, and photo from above, like this
if you can't clearly see the barbels, take a picture until you can.
and I still say Nemo's rockling was a 3b, on a 5b, the middle barbles are close together on the top lip, inbetween the upper barbels, the stumps that were spoken about were its nostrils...
Of course then there is the issue of 4 bearded rocklings....Comment
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Yes that's the way we were originally doing it until we found out that shore rocklings don't occur in the north east so I changed them all to 3B. Now it looks like they are not 3B either. One solution would be to go back to the way we did it in the 2012 competition and just allow one rockling and ignore the seperate species? Same goes for sandeels.Originally posted by Bassboyo View PostComment
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Agreed ;-) saves a lot of hassle in identifying when there are not obvious differences like in other species, IE scorpions , wrasse, pouts etc.Originally posted by Thunderpants View PostComment
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Bass used to be very rare this far north, now they are relatively common. Smoothhound are starting to show off the NE coast although still very rare. As for Shore Rockling distribution, these guys are pretty much regarded as the guru's for fish identification and habitat Gaidropsarus mediterraneus, Shore rockling : fisheries
Their distribution map for Shore Rockling clearly shows they are very common in the north sea and off the Norwegian coast and whilst less common can definitely be found in numbers off the NE coast: http://www.aquamaps.org/receive.php
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Lesser spotted greater launce sandeel please
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