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    Well guys, just back from the \"other\" publishers. Knew things weren\'t going to be good when the girl said \"You don\'t want the pictures in colour do you?\" Of course I bloody do !! Then the cost of producing a copy for you David will be £82.50

    \"Why\" I ask. \"Because of the colour photos\" she replies

    So - here are the options and I would appreciate your thoughts -

    1. Pay a publisher £7,000 for a colour book with a print run of 3,500 which I don\'t believe I can sell, cost to you - £9.99
    2. Pay £499 for a print to order B&W book with a CD attached with the colour photos and maps for reference, cost to you £10.99
    3. Do it myself in a spiral binder as those who have seen it will know and print to order from home (have no idea of the legality or tax implications behind this one), price to you £9.99

    Will print myself a copy of the book in black and white and decide what I think but your thoughts are appreciated.

    [Edited on 2/6/2005 by TC]

  • #2
    Hmmmm.....bit of a dilema, David

    Due to the quality of the books\' contents, I don\'t think you should even consider option 3, David. It\'s far, far too good for it NOT to be published professionally.

    I can see the advantage (cost-wise) of going with option 2 and the inclusion of the CD would be a bit of a novelty.

    The full blown, proffessionally printed colour book is really what the book deserves.......but I understand the financial comittment required to enable that to happen.

    I\'m not so sure about the 3,500 copies being difficult to sell at £9.99.

    I realise that even with the tremendous response your book recieved from NESA members saying that they\'d buy a copy (or 2, in some cases), you would still be left with the vast majority of them still to sell.

    What about the tackle shops?..........Would it be worth approaching them asking if they\'d stock the book to sell?

    There\'s loads of the lads on here who are members of various sea angling clubs.......how about doing a tour of these clubs giving a talk on fishing the areas coveed in the book. The book could then be available to buy following the talk.

    Also (as I\'ve previously suggested), why not contact the Tourist Boards for the areas covered in the book?.......they could well be interested in stocking it in ther information centres and maybe (big MAYBE), even contribut towards some of the costs of publishing.

    Just a few thoughts.
    But I\'d hate to see the book NOT being published proffessionally......even more so, to see it not published at all.


    EDIT: Forgot to say........The only \"edit\" I did to your original post David, was to remove all the --------------as they made the text run to wide over the screen. Just incase you were wondering why it says \"edited byTC\"



    [Edited on 2/6/2005 by TC]

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    • #3
      I would say go for option 1 because I think it will be a good seller but I\'m not putting the money up so in realality I would go for option 2 to be on the save side.
      Cheers Alan...

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      • #4
        Apparently so called \"Vanity Publishers\" should be avoided like the plague. (No disrespect David intended) they make their money by taking it from amateur writers with practically no hope of selling any number of copies. They don\'t particularly care if it\'s any good or not. Your book sounds like it will sell and therefore a reputable, probably specialist publisher could well take it on. This usually involves no outlay on the authors behalf and often an advance on further publications if the first sells well. I am guessing you have tried many alternative publishers? If not do so, delay your decision and tout it round as many as possible. Some who are not willing to take it on can recommend it to others and also give professional advice on how to make it even more attractive to publishers. Saying that though many great books go unpublished for many reasons.

        As for the options you have mentioned I have no clue mate.
        The very best of luck though in getting it sorted.
        "I mock thee not, though I by thee am mockéd.
        Thou call'st me madman, but I call thee blockhead"

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        • #5
          go with option one dave and try what tony said the best of luck to you m8 and i still want one at 9.99 it would be a steal when you see the price of some of the ****e on the shelves at the moment

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          • #6
            Sorry Dave, haven\'t a clue what option for you. Best of luck whichever way you go mate.
            Davy

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            • #7
              I think \"Charlie\" may have something there.....\"specialist publishers\"

              I\'ve seen loads of books (not necessarily on an angling theme), which say \"Published in Association With.......\"

              \"Published in Association With Total Sea Fishing Magazine\"........OR......\"Published in Association With Sea Angler Magazine\", sounds good.

              Worth an approach?????

              Don\'t see why not.

              [Edited on 2/6/2005 by TC]

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              • #8
                Thanks for the advice guys. Keep it coming. I actually phoned up the bloke in charge of THE PEOPLES HISTORY company who have printed all the books about Cullercoats, Tynemouth etc and as soon as I mentioned the fact that the book also involves Eyemouth you would have thought I had included a section on Mongolia. He put me off using his company within seconds. Am going around in circles at the minute so am off to leather a golf ball for a couple of hours. Will return more focused and try again. Must admit Charlies comment about vanity publishers did make me wonder if I was being led up the garden path. Spent the last hour looking for \"specialist publishers\" without getting very far.

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                • #9
                  Option 1 sounds the best as the book deserves it. What ever option you choose Dave, my request for 2 copies still stands. Good luck.
                  As I have grown older, I've learned that pleasing everyone is impossible,
                  but P*****g everyone off is a piece of cake.

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                  • #10
                    David,
                    Give that ball a few whacks from me please, will you :P

                    I\'ve just mailed you some specialist publisher contacts, David.

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                    • #11
                      Wouldnt know what to go for but what about local book shops. i still want one whatever the outcome.
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                      • #12
                        I\'d have to say that the option of being published\" in association with\" someone like Sea Angler does sound like a good way to do it, if you can get them to stump up some cash or even run the print through their publishers. Looks like TC has helped more than me as usual well done Tony and good luck David. I would be willing to canvas your book at tackle shops as I\'ve already been chatting about it in Frasers where I\'m fairly well known lol.
                        You can take the lad out of Walker but .......

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                        • #13
                          Apologies again Stores if you\'\'ve already tried this but -

                          Get a copy of the Writers Yearbook I think it\'s called, it has loads of info

                          and try Googling \"Getting Published\" loads of interesting links.
                          "I mock thee not, though I by thee am mockéd.
                          Thou call'st me madman, but I call thee blockhead"

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                          • #14
                            Just mailed you again, David........with something so obvious, I forgot all about it

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                            • #15
                              The Writer\'s Handbook, I think it\'s called, Charlie. I have the 2003 one, will have a look in a bit. May be clutching at straws here, but
                              \"Children of the Sea: The Story of the People of Eyemouth \" was published by Tuckwell Press, whether they have any local connection I don\'t know.

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