Dedicated or mad

[sless]

i hope nesa isnt going politicaly correct

[tala]

I removed it myself, for the simple reason that one or two of the lads on here brought to my attention that it may have had the effect of tempting a not so confident angler to have a go at climbing down.( I thought it would have had the opposite effect).

Also I was a touch peeved that the wasting of emergency services time and money were dragged into a harmless thread.

Some people are obviously quite content to sit in their little beach buddy and watch the waves creep in and critisize people who are a little bit more daring in their persuit of this sport (recreation), me myself think that getting to places like Boulby, Sheepstones and old crumbly is all part of the whole enjoyable experience.

Let the safe anglers go to the beach or the pier, not I m8, rock,gully and cliff marks are my bag.

Still everyone to thier own.

[bribones]

ok lads lets nip this one in the bud eh ,i can see both points of view but lets not drag it out ,stupidity ?we all suffer from it at one time or another ,take risks we shouldnt ,but lets not encourage people with the promise of big fish ,tala i read the write up on the link you posted and it says the vertical cliffs offer no escape! ,a warning to be headed dont you think ?as for alan calling anglers dickheads ,anyone who fishes a mark thats unknown to them and is potentialy dangerouse !well id say dickhead is apt if not a little OTT but then again just cos hes a moderator doesnt mean he cant have an opinion,heaven forbid hell be wanting to draw breath next how dare he,welcome to the world of mediation alan lol sooner you than me lets not turn this one into a row eh lads

[willywetegg]

Well said bribones.

Jim.

[Stores]

Lets continue the discussion without the animosity or name calling that can and has been generated. I think this is really important. We are creating a society that is cocooned from knowing what is and what is not an acceptable risk. I have spent my life in education taking groups walking in Snowdonia and the Cairngorms, skiing in Italy, France and Austria and, of all places, windsurfing in Palma Nova on Majorca. Each brings with it its own risk and you do your best to identify and counter the risk. Related to fishing that often means knowing when its safe to get on a mark and how long to stay on it as the tide floods. Good anglers know these things from experience - they have seen the same scenario time and time before and just know. They read the sea, relate it to past experiences and make, usually the right decisions.
I shared a conversation with Alan Charlton immediately after the Tsunami comp. There were a total of 15 people fishing in the north corner of Tynemouth beach. 4 were fishing in the Slatey (Bob Lydon being one) although one was casting into the Bottom of the Stairs and tangling others\' lines. Of the other 11 (apart from me and Rod) no-one was fishing in the hole as the hole no longer corresponds to the line given by the set of steps the hole gained its name by.
Why could anglers not see this ? The hole in the corner was ideal and 2 fish came out of it in 10 minutes of the comp starting. The fact is that we have a hardcore of anglers who cannot read the beach, cannot adapt to the conditions they find themselves in and, as a result, cannot make decisions regarding getting onto marks or up and down cliffs.
This summer Rod the Cod has admitted he has had enough of getting up and down the cliffs at Fast Castle Head. He\'s 60 this year, still fit but the descent more than the haul back up is getting too much. Such a decision is based on years of trying to negotiate these cliffs and the decision is a sensible one. Unfortunately some anglers only realise they can\'t get up or down a mark when it\'s too late. These people simply need to be educated, perhaps by the likes of us, so that they know the dangers inherent in any specific spot.
One way is to post reports and photos pointing out the virtues of the marks but also the dangers they pose. Such an approach, I believe will move angling forward.

[Edited on 30/1/2005 by Stores]

[Edited on 30/1/2005 by Stores]

[willywetegg]

Well put David you will get no arguements from me, great post.
Looking forward to reading that book of your\'s when it is finished.

Jim.

[tala]

I decided to put the picture back up, now if a moderator decides to remove it, thats fine.
This is to show Bri that the write up on photorecce was concerning Cowbar and the way round to Boiler hole, and yes there is no escape if you get trapped between the two.
Boulby itself as you can see in the picture has a obvious escape route (up the ropes), but you very rarely need to climb up, if you look carefully you can see that even at high water there is a grass platform to stand on, you are not only safe on there, you can carry on fishing if it takes your fancy.
This thread was meant to be a bit of harmless information, I appologise now, if that is not how it turned out. I am not in the market of upsetting people and causing rows.
This is my parting shot, I will keep pictures of fishing marks to myself in future, no hard feelings lads

[Edited on 30/1/2005 by tala]

[alan]

well said tala
could you email me the picture
thanks
alan just cos your a moderator
does it give you the right to call anglers dickheads
for fishing that area

what marks do you fish

If you read the post correctly Graham I was having a dig at Tala (no offence Tala) Where he reffered to Di\'kheads.
Quote.
RNLI cash is never wasted, even to help rescue those dickheads that ignore waning signs and storm gates ect: and find themselves in trouble.
Quote
As I said I dont know the mark and my comment was based on Tala\'s discription

Graham = The Mull but i would\'nt recommend it,its a bit dangerous

[Edited on 30/1/2005 by alan.f]

[alan]

Just clear things up my posts were based on the Title of the topic and the picture provided.Tala if your pictures have been moved or deleted it was\'nt me lol.
Shame when a decent thread off someone turns like that,reminds me of another one !


People should read the posts carefully before posting a comment,maybe it was the way I put it,sorry like



[Edited on 30/1/2005 by alan.f]

[alan]

Tala no need to appologise m8 I was\'nt offended I just made a comment.
Tala check your pm

[Edited on 30/1/2005 by alan.f]

[bribones]

well i for one wouldnt attempt it lol ,it might look easy but i recall climbing up the bank at saint marys when it was hoying it down ,said bank is only 10 feet or so but it was a nightmare with all the mud running down the bank,it might seem like an obvious escape route tala but conditions could become such that could make that climb very difficult especialy if youve got tackle to manage as well

Let the safe anglers go to the beach or the pier

no such thing as a safe angler a sensible one maybe but safe never
i can point the finger at many on here myself included that have hung around for that 1/2 hour to long or risked a spot (ie seaton sluice JIM )
when the seas been up and got a bit wet for our troubles,its a question of being lucky ,that wave or that slip or mistimed footstep could always be fatal so we have to be vigilant ,nothing wrong with the picture id try it myself if it was park and fish lol

[mark]

been following this with interest.

Personally I think the original post AND picture were great. I for one enjoy the challenge of remote and often inaccessible marks.

If posting a picture of a mark which might prove dangerous is to be avoided because someone, somewhere lacks the common sense, and that is the key here, to approach it with respect and caution, then we should cease to post sea state pics. We all get excited when there\'s a sea running, but it wasn\'t that long a ago when we saw people swept into the sea from easily accessible marks because there was a sea on. Surely there\'s nothing more dangerous in pursuit of our sport than the thing we tangle with itself.

Many of the best places to fish around our coastline are not easily accessible and some though and effort is needed to fish them, but i doesn\'t and more importantly shouldn\'t stop us having a go.

Brining the RNLI into the equation, seemed to be a bit OTT. If the question of whether we fish somewhere is an issue for the RNLI then we best lobby government to stopp us fishing all together cos every fishing mark is dangerous and potentially life threatening.

so the answer to the title of the thread is probably both. We are dedicated, and we are also a little bit mad. On paper, as a health and safety excercise find me a rock mark to fish in good fishing conditions, in the dark that doen\'t have any safety implications at all.

bet you can\'t find one!

[boblydon]

Dave regarding the comment about slatey gut in the comp,i do recaal the lad fishing at the bottom, he did look like he would be casting over you, from my memory he wasnt there for to long though before he came up the top skeer and joiined us three allready there...
Tala, nice picture of the fishing mark as allready mentioned there is a mark next to the lighthouse on the mull of galloway even worse, i am to old and unfit to attempt marks like that thesee days, but enjoy my rock fishing none the less

[sless]

i sent tc a photo of the mull from the air
canny shot

[tala]

Sless or TC can you post that picture here M8\'s.
heard a lot about it, would love to see it, never know may even have a go at it