Gemini Splashdowns

[bigandy]

Hi Lads, I have started using these splashdowns and like the all in one set up they offer. however I have noticed recently that if I give a good chuck the hook releases whilst in the air, is this normal? i have noticed it is normally a fair way out when i notice it has released, is this the norm, Anyone else use these? what are your experiences, Im thinking its defeeting the object of the bait clip if this is happening.
cheers

[danny boy]

Hi Lads, I have started using these splashdowns and like the all in one set up they offer. however I have noticed recently that if I give a good chuck the hook releases whilst in the air, is this normal? i have noticed it is normally a fair way out when i notice it has released, is this the norm, Anyone else use these? what are your experiences, Im thinking its defeeting the object of the bait clip if this is happening.
cheers

this should not happen,are you using them the right way.
i have only used a couple and had no problems with them.
ask the tackle shop dealer when you buy them.

[Hartlepool codder]

if this is happening then they are no good u myt aswell save a fortune use a normal lead and an impact sheild or an imp on your rig! i have never used them but am only going by what you say.

[g.ordon]

Hi Lads, I have started using these splashdowns and like the all in one set up they offer. however I have noticed recently that if I give a good chuck the hook releases whilst in the air, is this normal? i have noticed it is normally a fair way out when i notice it has released, is this the norm, Anyone else use these? what are your experiences, Im thinking its defeeting the object of the bait clip if this is happening.
cheers

I've used these since they first came out and use nothing else, brilliant piece of kit for ground casting but not something you'd want to use on heavy ground due to it's price. I think I know what's happening, the plastic assembly that has the locking clip within it can after a while work it's way down the wire lead stem which means you may not be locking the hook fully down with the clip and then when casting the air pressure may be unlocking it in flight. All you have to do is check that the plastic clip body is at the top of the lead stem before you lock the hook in, if it's come off its retaining crimp on the lead stem and moved down then simply move it back up and click it back into position.

[mickcave83]

There's a new weight and clip coming onto the market soon what blows the splash down away, for both price and effectiveness. These weight have been carefully planed over the last 18months or so, its a local company called outcast and the weights will be available for around the £1.40 mark.

I think ive got a few pics, some where i'll add to this post.

[mickcave83]

Here is a few words from Gary the Designer

Outcast leads & bait clips are the result of four years development and a
significant financial investment. The leads and clips have been developed purely for fishing and not the casting court.



The unique shape of the lead has been dictated by wind tunnel analysis and testing, the final shape is a balance between casting performance, bait protection and grip, all in one lead...... the unique bait clip allows the caster to place the rig on the ground without the risk of the hook falling off the bait clip, suiting in particular casters who use "off the ground" or "innertia" styles of casting.



The tension that is applied to the rig at the beginning of the cast releases the hook from the spring and onto the bait clip that is directly above it.
Originally developed for use with pulley rigs the system works equally well with paternosters, up & over rigs etc.



Outcast leads will be available in the following configurations.

Grip lead with outcast clip
Grip lead without clip
Plain lead with outcast clip
Plain lead without clip.

Cheers.

Gaz.

Some pics for you...

This is the outcast grip lead and clip, the leads look a lot smaller than a normal six ounce weight, the design gives protection to your bait during the cast and impact with the water. The top of the lead is rounded off and not like a flat back weight. Made from marine grade steel the clip won't rust away.



How to use...

In the picture below, on the left side of the clip is a small piece of steel that's under tension, you simply push this in like a button and it will grip your hook on the right hand side of the clip just as in the picture. You are now free to lay your terminal tackle on the ground, shake it about a bit and the hook will stay clipped to the bait holder.



On casting the hook will jump from it's before cast spring holder at the bottom of the clip immediately into the hook holder above in cast then releasing on impact with the water.

The hook position during flight immediately after the cast begins below.

[Hartlepool codder]

this looks a good lead but i dont like the look of the clip. it is similar to the nemex bullet but in my oppinion this looks a better lead. i may invest in some without the bait clip, i think this would work well with just a wire bait clip coming out the top of the lead near were you conect your rig to the sinker eye. the bait stays streamline tucked in behind the lead as the shape of it. ive tried the nemex bullets but dont like them in a big sea they tend to roll! seams good mate it will surely take off.

[codseeker]

ive use one of these basicly the bottom sping clip is to hold the hook stopping it moving out the clip when force applyed in the cast it realeases from the sping part into the above bait clip then releases when it hits the water or sea bed ideal like said off the ground casting

[g.ordon]

It's pretty easy to see how it works but the fundamental difference to the splashdown is the hook is unlocked after the first stage of the cast which means you would still have to have tension on the hook to keep it in place whereas the splash down keeps it totally locked untill impact with the water regardless of snood length. I saw a one in a tackle shop last week and the shape of the lead looks inovative to say the least, couldn't believe I was looking at a 175g sinker but was. I would have got some but I only use 150g and they didn't have any. Are they available in this weight? I think they were £1.30 a pop so I'll definately try them if I can get 150g size.

[bigandy]

cheers for the help lads, went out today, loads of bites but no fish, anyway problem did not occur today. I will keep an eye on it. not sure what to think of these leads, think I will perservere with splashdowns for now.
cheers

[codseeker]

honestly i dont think the fish give a damn what weights or bait clips you use as long as they release for them to get the baits down

[mickcave83]

aye he does them in 5, 6 and 7oz leads

[YoursTruly]

cheers for the help lads, went out today, loads of bites but no fish, anyway problem did not occur today. I will keep an eye on it. not sure what to think of these leads, think I will perservere with splashdowns for now.
cheers

Andy, i have been using the outcast leads and clips for over a year now.
I took them to Iceland last year and give them a bit of a trial for Gary after using them were a couple of minor issues with them and after giving Gary the feedback the minor issues were corrected and he has got them absolutely spot on.

In my oppinion they out do the splash down by miles.

The weight itself seems to cast better than the namix, when clipping your bait behind it it will give your bait as much protection as an impact shield.

Both my shops have been selling them for a while now and anglers are coming to replace lost leads, repeat sales mean the product is good.

[john/r]

Andy, i have been using the outcast leads and clips for over a year now.
I took them to Iceland last year and give them a bit of a trial for Gary after using them were a couple of minor issues with them and after giving Gary the feedback the minor issues were corrected and he has got them absolutely spot on.

In my oppinion they out do the splash down by miles.

The weight itself seems to cast better than the namix, when clipping your bait behind it it will give your bait as much protection as an impact shield.

Both my shops have been selling them for a while now and anglers are coming to replace lost leads, repeat sales mean the product is good.

hi do you sell these ie 7 ounce thanks.

[g.ordon]

Or 5oz?