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    'Profound' decline in fish stocks shown in UK records
    Page last updated at 15:13 GMT, Tuesday, 4 May 2010 16:13 UK
    E-mail this to a friend Printable version By Richard Black
    Environment correspondent, BBC News

    Landings into UK ports in the 19th Century were four times higher than today Over-fishing means UK trawlers have to work 17 times as hard for the same fish catch as 120 years ago, a study shows.

    Researchers used port records dating from the late 1800s, when mechanised boats were replacing sailing vessels.

    In the journal Nature Communications, they say this implies "an extrordinary decline" in fish stocks and "profound" ecosystem changes.

    Four times more fish were being landed in UK ports 100 years ago than today, and catches peaked in 1938.

    "Over a century of intensive trawl fishing has severely depleted UK seas of bottom living fish like halibut, turbot, haddock and plaice," said Simon Brockington, head of conservation at the Marine Conservation Society and one of the study's authors.

    "It is vital that governments recognise the changes that have taken place (and) set stock protection and recovery targets that are reflective of the historical productivity of the sea."

    Victorian values

    In the late 1880s, the government set up inspectorates in major fishing ports in an attempt to monitor what fish were being landed.

    Continue reading the main story There's nothing basically wrong with the CFP and not much wrong with the scientific research they receive
    Philip MacMullen

    Seafish
    "The records are prety reliable," said Callum Roberts from the UK's York University, another of the study authors.

    "The Victorians were very assiduous about collecting information; and while some of the landings might have been missed from smaller ports, the larger ports were covered very efficiently," he told BBC News.

    Around the same period, naturalist Walter Garstang was beginning to analyse "fishing power" - essentially, the capacity of a fleet to catch fish.

    The biggest change over the period was from sail to engine power.

    "With sail power, boats could only go at fixed times and only in certain places with a smooth sea bottom," Professor Roberts noted

    "But when you got engines, that meant they could fish in any conditions of wind or tide and sea bed."

    As waters near the coast became depleted, industrialisation also meant the UK fleet could travel further in search of new grounds - a phenomenon that took off after 1918.

    But despite the growing power and range, the amount of fish caught for each unit of effort has gone drastically down, with 17 times more effort required now to catch the same amopunt of fish as compared with the late 1800s.

    'Old news'

    Philip MacMullen, head of environmental responsibility at the UK's industry-funded sustainability organisation Seafish, suggested that accenting the historical picture could obscure more recent improvements.

    "It could be correct but I don't know, and I don't think the data support the findings," he said.

    Fish such as plaice have been fished further and further afield "But it's old news. Fifteen years ago we started understanding how badly management was working, and 10 years ago we started doing something about it."

    Seafish points out that in the last decade, stocks of some species such as cod have shown increases.

    But Professor Roberts counters that the long historical timeline in his study shows the recent improvements to be small in scale.

    "If you get a 50% increase from 2% of a species' former abundance, you get to 3% of its former abundance, so you shouldn't celebrate too hard," he said.

    "That's why this perspective is important."

    Whereas UK fishermen tend to blame the EU's Common Fisheries Policy (CFP) for their economic problems, the authors of this study say it proves that depletion stems from mismanagament well before the CFP came into existence.

    "There's nothing basically wrong with the CFP and not much wrong with the scientific research they receive," commented Dr MacMullen.

    "But what happens to that advice when it goes up to the Council of Ministers - it's completely mis-managed."
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    P.B
    SKATE 204lb
    COD 51lb
    LING 32lb
    TOPE 40lb
    CONGER 25lb
    HADDOCK 10lb
    HALIBUT 37lb
    COALIE 16lb
    BLUE SHARK 55lb

  • #2
    In a few years time they will be saying the same about shrimps, prawns, crabs etc, I notice in Shields the number of boats now unloading tons of prawns probably because they cannot catch enough fish.
    Unless these guys learn to farm the sea properly their greed will destroy the fishing around our coast.
    Iceland turned out to be right about protecting its coastline, bet they don't have the same problems as us

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    • #3
      read some intersting stuff t'other day regarding depleting stocks....

      Scottish National Heritage....

      seals eat between 6%-8% of their body weight in fish per day. Which doesn’t seem like all that much
      and

      2009 figures - 186,000 grey seals (90% of uk population) and 20,000 common seals in SCOTTISH WATERS
      same site quotes 96000 seal in 1994, so they pretty much doubled in number in 15 years or so

      8% of body weight a day.... average weight of a grown seal 500lbs

      thats 40lb of fish a day.. each


      186,000 seals - thats 7,440,000 lbs of fish - a day... or 3720 tons - a day

      365 days a year...
      ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ.

      Thought for the day:
      Some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything but bring a smile to your face when thrown down the stairs

      Converting an MFV Fifie trawler type thing.

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      • #4
        seals

        thay have 2 eat like every body else only mans greed yet ag

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mark View Post
          read some intersting stuff t'other day regarding depleting stocks....

          Scottish National Heritage....



          and



          same site quotes 96000 seal in 1994, so they pretty much doubled in number in 15 years or so

          8% of body weight a day.... average weight of a grown seal 500lbs

          thats 40lb of fish a day.. each


          186,000 seals - thats 7,440,000 lbs of fish - a day... or 3720 tons - a day

          365 days a year...
          Very nice point to the arguement mate.

          The problem mentioned seems to be falling on deaf ears. People would rather have cheap fish till its gone rather than paying more for less. If you think about it Anglers probably pay more for our fish than anyone else (if not on bait then on all the bloody tackle).
          Species: Cod, Bass, Coalie, Flounder, Dab, Rockling, Mackerel, Plaice, Pollock, Ballen Wrasse, L/S Scorpion, Common Blenny, Weaver (unfortunately), Whiting, Common Eel, Trout, Pike... think that's it

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          • #6
            Originally posted by codandchips View Post
            thay have 2 eat like every body else only mans greed yet ag
            think the message is you can't screw with the food chain from either end

            give one link to much protection and it'll break same as giving one link too little
            ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ.

            Thought for the day:
            Some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything but bring a smile to your face when thrown down the stairs

            Converting an MFV Fifie trawler type thing.

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            • #7
              every creature in the sea live together in total harmonious order,from the largest predator to the smallest single plankton, until man decides to step in and destroy the lot because of his greed

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Gerry View Post
                In a few years time they will be saying the same about shrimps, prawns, crabs etc, I notice in Shields the number of boats now unloading tons of prawns probably because they cannot catch enough fish.
                Unless these guys learn to farm the sea properly their greed will destroy the fishing around our coast.
                Iceland turned out to be right about protecting its coastline, bet they don't have the same problems as us
                And the reason for the increase in prawns is because of the topography of the sea bed has changed being much more muddy now instead of sand and there is no longer any cod to predate on them. As a consequence there is an increase in a disease that affects prawns as beforehand the cod would have predated on the weaker Nephrops. Just like an ecosystem should work.

                Iceland has opted to join the EU now as well so they can kiss their fisheries goodbye also!

                BTW SEAFISH, the industry group that represents commercial fishermen and producers, have claimed it is 'dodgy data'.....Well they would wouldn't they!
                "And I looked, and behold'a pale horse; and his name that sat on him was death, and hell followed with hi, and power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword and with hunger, and with the beasts of the earth"

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                • #9
                  Here's the full report

                  The effects of 118 years of industrial fishing on UK bottom trawl fisheries : Nature Communications : Nature Publishing Group

                  and the respnse from SEAFISH

                  Seafish. What's new. Details.

                  You decide!
                  "And I looked, and behold'a pale horse; and his name that sat on him was death, and hell followed with hi, and power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword and with hunger, and with the beasts of the earth"

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by matchman
                    why am I not surprised......
                    See you next week Paul?
                    "And I looked, and behold'a pale horse; and his name that sat on him was death, and hell followed with hi, and power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword and with hunger, and with the beasts of the earth"

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                    • #11
                      BOLLOCKS, do the fishermen these days climb up rigging in their bare feet, have no waterproof gear, very little to eat. I suppose having to use all the electric gismo's a boat has these days is hard on the eyes.
                      Alan

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                      • #12
                        When the seals start washing up on the beaches dieing of starvation someone might start to take notice of fish stocks , specially if they are furry pups with big brown eyes , until then we might as well accept the fact that government won't do what is required to restore some sort of order in our seas. It's not just around the British Isles this is happening , it's worldwide wherever there are no conservation laws.
                        I can understand commercial fishermen not wanting to lose their livelihood , but I can't understand why they are in denial as to what is happening out there.
                        I'd ask a question of all of us who fish the sea ,

                        Would you agree to a five year total ban on all sea fishing to allow fish stocks to recover?

                        Ray
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                        Ray

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by matchman
                          Afternoon Alan.... :-)
                          evening Paul
                          Alan

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by matchman
                            Hmmmm, what about the percentage of fish taken from the sea by a commercial trawler to a rod and line sea angler....?? There is a huge difference....
                            Of course there is , but would you give up your fishing for a considerable length of time to preserve the future fish stocks in the sea ?
                            Sounds like you wouldn't like the idea ?

                            Ray
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                            Ray

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                            • #15
                              Sammy Seal's also having a bit of an impact on yer Salmon runs, Tees in particular.
                              "I mock thee not, though I by thee am mockéd.
                              Thou call'st me madman, but I call thee blockhead"

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