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    10 Feb 09 - From a speech today by Jo Borg Member of the European Commission - Responsible for Fisheries and Maritime Affairs




    Rapid - Press Releases - EUROPA

    Before I come to the end of my intervention let me say a few words about our proposal to reform the way we control fisheries activities in the future.

    The most famous words contained in our proposal must be the words "recreational fishing". In some Member States our proposals in this regard have been misinterpreted alarming citizens that the Commission wants to start controlling millions of hobby anglers and impose quota restrictions on them. This would obviously be a crazy thing to do, and it is therefore not at all our intention to implement such a ludicrous system. Let me make clear once and for all that the hobby angler who catches a few kilos of fish every time he goes out fishing and uses it for his private consumption, will not be covered by the control regulation, even if he catches fish like cod which is under a recovery plan.

    clarification is being sought on the next bit

    There are however facts and figures in abundance that show that certain forms of so called recreational fishing have a dangerously considerable impact on certain vulnerable fish stock. We cannot just keep restricting severely professional fishing on those stocks but give the recreational fishermen a free ride. They have to contribute as well to the conservation effort. It is with this balance in mind that the Commission will approach the issue in the context of negotiations.

    We look forward to working with you on this question, on the whole control regulation and of course also on the reform of our policy. In any event, I know that we at the Commission can always rely on the Parliament to stimulate and support us in improving the lot of Europe's citizens.
    Alan

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    Mmmrrr shore is the right word.....boats?
    ................__................................ .............................
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    [__On-A-Roll__/
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    P.B
    SKATE 204lb
    COD 51lb
    LING 32lb
    TOPE 40lb
    CONGER 25lb
    HADDOCK 10lb
    HALIBUT 37lb
    COALIE 16lb
    BLUE SHARK 55lb

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    • #3
      Originally posted by northeast1 View Post
      Mmmrrr shore is the right word.....boats?
      thats why paragraph two needs clarification, does the Hobby Angler, include boat anglers private and or charter boats whole document has led to confusion by being badly worded
      Alan

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      • #4
        I don't beieve for a second it chages anything

        what a complete load of euro spin PR ****e

        para 1: "it would be crazy to impose quote restrictions on anglers"

        para 2: "we cannot give recreational fisherman a free ride"

        make yer minds up

        one negates the other and is nothing more than politico speak to make it look like they really care and take the heat off them for a bit while they press ahead regardless
        ʎɐqǝ uo pɹɐoqʎǝʞ ɐ ʎnq ı ǝɯıʇ ʇsɐן ǝɥʇ sı sıɥʇ.

        Thought for the day:
        Some people are like slinkies - not really good for anything but bring a smile to your face when thrown down the stairs

        Converting an MFV Fifie trawler type thing.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by mark View Post
          I don't beieve for a second it chages anything

          what a complete load of euro spin PR ****e

          para 1: "it would be crazy to impose quote restrictions on anglers"

          para 2: "we cannot give recreational fisherman a free ride"

          make yer minds up

          one negates the other and is nothing more than politico speak to make it look like they really care and take the heat off them for a bit while they press ahead regardless
          thats why clarification has been asked for, to clear up the euro double talk, it was obviously written by a clueless non angler
          Alan

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          • #6
            We'll see.......
            To get away from dragons and catch monsters.

            Pig Hunter

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            • #7
              have a look at this, contains strong language

              SACN, BASS, NFSA, ANGLING TRUST - YOU KILLED SEA ANGLING - Fishing News
              Alan

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              • #8
                What is a Bona Fide R.S.A.?

                It is vital that a clear definition is made re. the term 'Recreational Sea Angler'.

                As I've always maintained, for an angler to be classified as a bona fide 'RSA'
                he/she should be committed to pursue his/her sport for the 'recreational' aspect of a day afloat or on a beach,estuary or riverbank with any fish killed as an added bonus.

                The others who purport to be 'Recreational Sea Anglers' and view the situation from the 'commercial' aspect, whether it be from the sale of fish or revenue obtained by the charter of their vessels, are not true RSAs and should not be part of our equation.

                Let the 'Commercials' stand alone. Their sole reason for wanting to be grouped with the millions of bona fide RSAs is for strength of numbers. Their very presence in the equation clouds the issues and weakens our case.

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                • #9
                  That is brilliant Alan.

                  And so true.
                  Demons run when a good man goes to war...

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                  • #10
                    im voting for him

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                    • #11
                      class vid lol
                      Species: Cod, Bass, Coalie, Flounder, Dab, Rockling, Mackerel, Plaice, Pollock, Ballen Wrasse, L/S Scorpion, Common Blenny, Weaver (unfortunately), Whiting, Common Eel, Trout, Pike... think that's it

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                      • #12
                        English Nature Survey

                        We received a telephone call at the office this week, regarding my advising anglers not to fill in the survey form which English Nature is carrying out on behalf of government regarding sea angling in this Country. I thought you might like to see what this person said ...
                        (copied word-for-word)
                        "I am phoning up because I am quite incensed about Sam Harrison's (doesn't even know my name) remarks on his hooked section of the Evening Chronicle on Thursday regarding the fishing column. He goes on to talk about that English Nature are visiting tackle shops and they are putting questionnaires for anglers to fill in so that they can get a snap shot of all their coastal areas that are faring at the moment, and he is advising people (anglers) not to take part in these questionnaires, now I think this is absolutely outrageous that he is actually advising the anglers not to take part in these questionnaires because at the end of the day how else are we going to monitor what will happen in a thousand yards of a coast line, now he is advising people not to fill these forms in and I think it is really really bad considering for years he has been making a living out of this exact information when sea angling clubs and individuals who catch fish, write to him or phone him up and tell him what's going on. What I would like to say also is if you were going to write this in the paper I would advise sea anglers as well as local angling clubs to send their information in to the government so they can do the survey and English Nature rather than send it in to Sam Harris. I think he's well out of order with this one and I just don't understand his thinking along it. That's all I need to say at the moment.
                        ALAN GANGULY, Cambois, Northumberland"
                        My reply - which will be in Thursday's Evening Chronicle - reads ...
                        "We had a telephone call at the office this week from someone calling themselves "Alan Ganguly" of Cambois. (At least I use my real name when writing this column). This person is outraged at the fact I advised anglers not to fill in the questionnaires being distributed by English Nature on behalf of the Government, who are attempting to discover what catches and species we, as anglers, make. I would also point out that this survey concerns the whole coastline of the British Isles and not 1,000 yards of coastline as he seems to assume. As for making my living out of writing these columns is concerned, I am afraid I wouldn't get very far on £20 a week ! If Mr. Ganguly cares to ring me, I will point out to him the reason why we, as sea anglers, should refuse to have anything to do with this survey. Incidentally, other local and national angling journalists are also advising against giving the information this questionnaire is asking for as we all feel that this information will lead to the introduction of sea angling licences. My telephone number is 0191-5184561."
                        Just to let you know also ... my Producer on the Sea Angling section of "Howe's Fishing" on BBC Radio Newcastle has been trying to get an interview regarding these questionnaires and the implications of what will be done with this information - so far, after speaking to several people their only response at present is "no comment".
                        Sam

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                        • #13
                          p.m.s.l fantastic alan.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by sam harris View Post
                            We received a telephone call at the office this week, regarding my advising anglers not to fill in the survey form which English Nature is carrying out on behalf of government regarding sea angling in this Country. I thought you might like to see what this person said ...
                            (copied word-for-word)
                            "I am phoning up because I am quite incensed about Sam Harrison's (doesn't even know my name) remarks on his hooked section of the Evening Chronicle on Thursday regarding the fishing column. He goes on to talk about that English Nature are visiting tackle shops and they are putting questionnaires for anglers to fill in so that they can get a snap shot of all their coastal areas that are faring at the moment, and he is advising people (anglers) not to take part in these questionnaires, now I think this is absolutely outrageous that he is actually advising the anglers not to take part in these questionnaires because at the end of the day how else are we going to monitor what will happen in a thousand yards of a coast line, now he is advising people not to fill these forms in and I think it is really really bad considering for years he has been making a living out of this exact information when sea angling clubs and individuals who catch fish, write to him or phone him up and tell him what's going on. What I would like to say also is if you were going to write this in the paper I would advise sea anglers as well as local angling clubs to send their information in to the government so they can do the survey and English Nature rather than send it in to Sam Harris. I think he's well out of order with this one and I just don't understand his thinking along it. That's all I need to say at the moment.
                            ALAN GANGULY, Cambois, Northumberland"
                            My reply - which will be in Thursday's Evening Chronicle - reads ...
                            "We had a telephone call at the office this week from someone calling themselves "Alan Ganguly" of Cambois. (At least I use my real name when writing this column). This person is outraged at the fact I advised anglers not to fill in the questionnaires being distributed by English Nature on behalf of the Government, who are attempting to discover what catches and species we, as anglers, make. I would also point out that this survey concerns the whole coastline of the British Isles and not 1,000 yards of coastline as he seems to assume. As for making my living out of writing these columns is concerned, I am afraid I wouldn't get very far on £20 a week ! If Mr. Ganguly cares to ring me, I will point out to him the reason why we, as sea anglers, should refuse to have anything to do with this survey. Incidentally, other local and national angling journalists are also advising against giving the information this questionnaire is asking for as we all feel that this information will lead to the introduction of sea angling licences. My telephone number is 0191-5184561."
                            Just to let you know also ... my Producer on the Sea Angling section of "Howe's Fishing" on BBC Radio Newcastle has been trying to get an interview regarding these questionnaires and the implications of what will be done with this information - so far, after speaking to several people their only response at present is "no comment".
                            Sam
                            PMSL

                            They basically want to give us a noose and go hang ourselves.....yeah, ok!!
                            To get away from dragons and catch monsters.

                            Pig Hunter

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                            • #15
                              Am I missing something? I haven't seen the content of the questionnaire but as Sam has stated they want to discover what catches and species we, as anglers, make. Sam prints details of all that in the Chronicle, Charlton in the Journal, Matchman in Sea Angler, the local clubs have their comp results on their webpages. Then of course we have sites like this where we are happy to provide exactly that information. So by not filling in the questionaire what exactly are we going to achieve - the information is already in the public domain and will clearly show that we are catching virtually nowt.

                              If its just me having a blonde moment please put me right ....I know you will
                              UKCC Level 2 Game Angling Coach

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