Illegal fishing marks...right or wrong?

[blackcat]

matchman i think you are totally missing the piont...the marks were mentioned because they are dangerous to fish i.e illegal,prohibited,unsafe...for what reason doesnt matter

it has nothing to do with what we eat, drink or had a pass for in the 80's

you wont be getting knocked up out of bed to risk your life and rescue anyone from these marks this winter.

the marks are much more productive in adverse weather i.e northerlies etc. so people climb through and over fences and put themselves and others in danger to catch there "big fish" and it will result in injury sooner rather than later.

keep safe....bc

[Davyred]

matchman i think you are totally missing the piont...the marks were mentioned because they are dangerous to fish i.e illegal,prohibited,unsafe...for what reason doesnt matter

it has nothing to do with what we eat, drink or had a pass for in the 80's

you wont be getting knocked up out of bed to risk your life and rescue anyone from these marks this winter.

the marks are much more productive in adverse weather i.e northerlies etc. so people climb through and over fences and put themselves and others in danger to catch there "big fish" and it will result in injury sooner rather than later.

keep safe....bc

How can a mark be dangerous to fish due to it being prohibited or illegal? Hendon Wall and the South pier are no more dangerous than Seaham pier, in fact they are a lot safer.

I do agree though regarding Cairnryan pier. It is unsafe, and I wouldn't fish it for that reason alone.

and it will result in injury sooner rather than later.

Of course it will...but that is the point Matchman is getting at, you could say that about other legal marks (Remember poor Paul Hurst?) - its an easy statement to make, just like saying there will be casualties on the road due to traffic accidents.

Our sport is a dangerous sport, whether you're fishing legally or illegally.

[blackcat]

"How can a mark be dangerous to fish due to it being prohibited or illegal?"

easy...they shut roker pier because of the dangerous conditions...and you climb on having total disregard for anyone but you and your fishing

[Davyred]

"How can a mark be dangerous to fish due to it being prohibited or illegal?"

easy...they shut roker pier because of the dangerous conditions...and you climb on having total disregard for anyone but you and your fishing

I see you haven't made your feelings known to the anglers posting on a thread entitled 'South Shields Pier' on this board

As for Roker, it comes to the individual interpretation of dangerous conditions, I gave an example to outline this. Added to the fact that they've had Roker shut on flat calm days, so the councils interpretation of 'dangerous' is lot different to ours. I take it you agree that the South and Hendon are not prohibited because they're 'dangerous'?

Take this further afield....Have you ever broke the speed limit? 40 in a 30? 30 in a 20? Those limits are put there for a reason, but I bet you've broken them. You're putting yourself, as well as others at risk by doing so, but because its not fishing from prohibited marks, I suppose its ok

Your initial post asks anglers for their views. I gave you mine, and the background for my reasoning, yet I'm being chastised for it?

[tonynufc]

Take this further afield....Have you ever broke the speed limit? 40 in a 30? 30 in a 20? Those limits are put there for a reason, but I bet you've broken them. You're putting yourself, as well as others at risk by doing so, but because its not fishing from prohibited marks, I suppose its ok

good point that mate

[Beachlover]

...it's up to us to use common sense at all times I suppose,

I'm a firm believer that there's no such thing as common sense, there's such a thing as sense but it's not common amongst all of us, that's why the authorities have to put locks on gates to piers because some anglers will put themselves in danger either oblivious to that danger or with total disregard to the danger, looking at it from our side that's also why authorities have a gate locked during a flat calm sea because there's no such thing as common sense.

An example would be Hendon, anyone who fishes it regulary would know the exact dangers relevant to that mark anyone who doesn't fish it regulary would not know the dangers, so when someone who doesn't know what they are doing gets washed off and another angler says common sense should have told them not to fish that area the way the sea was.........see what I mean.

Off the track a bit now but I thought I would try and lighten this thread a little and prove there's no such thing as common sense;

In 2000 eight people were admitted to hospital with fractured skulls
Whilst throwing up into the toilet.

3 people die each year testing if a 9v battery works using their tongue.

142 people were injured in 1999 by not removing all the pins from new
shirts.

31 people have died since 1996 by watering their Christmas tree while
the fairylights were plugged in.

18 people had serious burns in 2000 trying on new jumpers with a lit
cigarette in their mouth.

Why do we leave our cars worth thousands of pounds on the drive
While we lock our junk and cheap lawn mowers in the garage.

Why do banks leave both doors wide open then chain the pens
To the counter.

Why do supermarkets make sick people walk all the way to the back of the store to get their prescriptions.
While healthy people can buy cigarettes at the front door.

Good debate by the way, hope I haven't spoiled it with this

[Davyred]

Great post Beachlover

[stevep31]

tynemouth peir

i was on tynemouth pier last december went on at 6pm and was still on at 7am there was three ov us and the sea was that bad we had to strap ourselfs to the metal gate at the back with rope to stay on .it was coming over the lighthouse bigest sea i have ever seen next day it was on the news that it was a freek storm that night. could not get back down the pier that night as the waves were coming over the top all night and would ov washed any man off that night . weather reports arnt allways spot on !

[scaley]

Its not just the 'illegal' areas which are dangerous,just look at the recent rescue of the family off seaham beach,look at the fatal accidents off the promenade at hendon and numerous other places up and down the coastline which did not involve fishermen,whichever way you look at it the sea is a dangerous force and wherever you choose to fish you should check the weather,tides and access and always let people know where you are going,as for my own views i am sh@t scared of drowning and seldom take a chance,but i have also fished illegal marks without the risk.

[Lowrider]

Quite agree,there is danger all along the coast at differing times.
But most illegal sites have obstructions to deny access.
Simply crossing over,under,through them puts you at risk.
I have seen many a wobble from people climbing over the fence to the pier at Cambois.
Plus quite often they are there for a reason,the structure is unsafe for example.
If you ignore all that and do have a problem then as i have said,you should be prosocuted and or bear the cost of any rescue needed.
You think you know best,fine but you take the results if you get it wrong.

[Oblickta]

There will always be accidents involving the experienced,inexperienced, the innocent and of course the
clowns, I had a near miss myself at Cullercoats a long time ago and nearly got cut off and all because the fish started biting just as it was time to leave, "the one last cast scenario"!

I dont fish much in the winter these days but when I do I always check the mark out first either by visiting in daylight or asking people who know the mark and stick to their advice, or both.

I'm too old and fat to run away from rogue waves these days, so if it looks dodgey I go home and have a nice cup of tea.

[Mike.Haley]

Hendon was deemed unsafe as it has no safety rail. Sundserland South pier is classed unsafe for the same reasons. Seaham pier can only be fished if you are a member of Seaham Angling club. It is thier resposibility to make sure it is safe to fish and they alone must accept responsibility if someone has an accident.
Wherever we fish we are all resposnible for our own safety and all I can say is, if there are signs put up saying it is unsafe to fish, then dont do it.
Use some common sense and fish safely everyone. Good mates are hard to find so lets keep the ones we have and not lose them through a lack of judgement or common sense.