snapped sonik rod

[Charlie_Thompson]

Time is money

[mark]

[QUOTE=YoursTruly;149295]

greys rod's are now all made of cheese and decorated with marmite

my theory is that as they are machine whipped on a production line, sometimes the whipping is too tight, so when there's flex in the blank there's not enough give, so the seat of the eye puts pressure on the blank and they go pop

Mark, they use a different method of curering the high build.
It is done under UV Light which cures in my oppinion much to quick hence the tyings are brittle.

would that enough to overly tension the legs on the rings??

just curious thats all.

[Charlie_Thompson]

Too tight whipping will always incorrectly tension the leg / blank relationship probably on the too tight side of things - what you need is perfectly tensioned whipping.

Even I know that ya tube

[YoursTruly]

Mark, it is very difficult to tye the rings on too tight as the thread will snap if too much tension is applied.
Cracks occur because the high build is not flexible enough.

Even if you use a flexible high build and speed the drying process ( UV ) it will become less flexible and more brittle.

As an example take araldite rapid and the normal which are two pack epoxy resins, the normal takes much longer to harden than the rapid and is much more felxible for this reason.
(Does that makes sense)

[jimmy]

i can see where you are coming from terry,as a tiler i sometimes use "rapid set flexible adhesive" and ordinary "flexi",the rapid set flexi does not give much flex on a floor compared to ordinary flexi,whereby sometimes you may notice the grout seems to come away from the edges of the tiles,thats because the adhesive is not flexing with the movement on the floor,so i can imagine a rod being the same

[YoursTruly]

Thats pretty much the same with rod whippings

[thewestwind]

There's always going to be a badun slips through to the consumer. Whichever way you look it's not a great start for a new range of rods.

[Charlton]

the facts of the case, firstly the lad didnt even know it had been put on the web that his rod snapped. Secondly the lad admits he was pendulum casting from a pier and he says he probably bashed it off the back wall, even still the top end was replaced by Sonik free of charge and he is over the moon.

[The Great Wallsendo]

This thread's been repeated across a lot of forums and it basically boils down to half truths and chinese whispers as is often the case with occurrences such as these

99% of the reason rods snap will be manual error and a small percentage will be a bad un IMHO

[sless]

what ever anyones opinion is
you cant call them crap rods because 1 snaps
as alan says
the lad was pendulum casting
one bit of bad timing
and theres the result

[KeithB]

I'm no rod expert and definatley a novice at casting but I had a few chucks with a sonik sk3 5-7oz 14ft rod and it felt good.

Bert is a dab hand at snapping rods if anyone wants one testing

[mark]

Been keeping an eye on this thread...

Wouldn't you think anglers would be cheering that a LOCAL company, starts producing rods at a very competetive price, especially nowadays when rods are well over-priced?

Just think of the dad's out there, who can now possibly afford to buy decent kit for themselves AND their kids....a dad fishing with his son used to be the norm when I first started....don't see it much nowadays - possibly as the price is way above their budget range.

I know how many sea rods Sonik have SOLD...FACT! one going kaboom wouldn't even register as a percentage.

Be happy for the anglers who can't afford to spend 100's of pounds on one rod - on, in my opinion, a quality piece of kit...

Tight whippings, tight high-build, flex this, flex that - load of tosh - in my opinion of course...

oh oh! "he doth protest too much I fear"

of course its absolute tosh until unless you have had 4 of the exact same LOCAL rods (from the cheng-du province of northumberland ) snap in the same place

seems a reasoned debate to me as to what might be the causes behind it,

and it stands to reason that different 'branded' rods made in the same place might (or might not) suffer the same problem.

maybe they've resolved the issue, maybe they haven't, like I said, I don't know the answer thats an un-biased (try looking un-biased up) statement BTW

[yorkio]

Just think of the dad's out there, who can now possibly afford to buy decent kit for themselves AND their kids....a dad fishing with his son used to be the norm when I first started....don't see it much nowadays - possibly as the price is way above their budget range.

I've got to say, I think it's actually loads cheaper getting a basic kit together these days than it ever was when I was a kid. You can still get your fancy bespoke blanks hand-rolled between the thighs of Northumberland virgins if that's what you're after, but you can also get cheap as chips kids' starter rods from the likes of Shakespeare – Ł11 for a 9' pier IN2 rod! – for not much more than the cost of a few bags of crisps and a bottle of pop! (And probably less than a lot of blokes spend on bait for a decent session.)

I'm not sure that when I was kid 30-odd years ago, it was possible to buy a rod for eleven quid. It certainly wasn't possible to buy a rod for that money that wouldn't give you a hernia if you had to hold it for more than 10 minutes! At Ł100-plus though, I wouldn't have thought that Sonik are expecting to be many kids' first rods.

[morton23]

I've got to say, I think it's actually loads cheaper getting a basic kit together these days than it ever was when I was a kid. You can still get your fancy bespoke blanks hand-rolled between the thighs of Northumberland virgins if that's what you're after, but you can also get cheap as chips kids' starter rods from the likes of Shakespeare – £11 for a 9' pier IN2 rod! – for not much more than the cost of a few bags of crisps and a bottle of pop! (And probably less than a lot of blokes spend on bait for a decent session.)

I'm not sure that when I was kid 30-odd years ago, it was possible to buy a rod for eleven quid. It certainly wasn't possible to buy a rod for that money that wouldn't give you a hernia if you had to hold it for more than 10 minutes! At £100-plus though, I wouldn't have thought that Sonik are expecting to be many kids' first rods.

Very well put. The difficulty, as I see it, is 'two sides' untangling their loyalty to friends who have a vested interest in the company, and those people with second-hand or non-personal experiences of the rod in question snapping discussing 'opinions' as scientifically moderated facts. Alan makes a very salient point: the rod may well have been terminally damaged during the cast when he hit the pier. Even Zziplex and TTRs are not designed to cut through concrete like a Ron Thompson through butter. If I had a sample test data of 1000 casted Sonik rods, 7 of which, say, snapped in the same essential area (e.g. between 2nd & 3rd ring) we can posit a vast range of hypotheses to account for this: (1) bad ''batch''? (whatever this means...sophisticated machinery is less-prone to a bad day then, say, an egg-laying chicken) (2) Simple chance?...yes...why not. Poor casting style may lead to stochastic failure for sure. I've seen top-of-the-range CF rods undergo failure in the hands of persons with questionable casting style (3) Inbuilt flaw of the range in general i.e. in other words, mass produced in China? A rather boring explanation. Just because they are cheaper to manufacture there doesn't mean to say they should inherently prone to snapping. We should try and exercise caution before launching into grand explanations. More than anything it would be interesting to hear the original account of the damage. Certainly, implicit charges of inherent poor rod design etc are misplaced at this point in time. The product range has only just be launched!

[The Great Wallsendo]

Nice answer (took me a couple of reads to get through it) - Mr Morton Welcome to NESA BTW

Welcome back to the fold Paul (Matchman)