Another casting debate.

[Pighunter]

Having fishe last week and got asked by the bloke who turned up after I was there fishing for a good hour decided the mile long rock mark was to small so set his tripod 6ft away, he then after I cast came over and asked me to stop pendulum casting I explained that he was to the left of me so was impossible to hit, his response was it's dangerous so stop it, few words late I told him to move further away from me if he didn't like it. (Possibly not as polite as that) while baiting a trace up I noticed he was casting off the floor, do people just assume casting of the floor is safe? As it has the exact same dangers as pendulum casting does, you put the same power in so a knot or line could go just the same when I went over to have this debate he would not believe me, these people are the dangerous casters not the 95% of people who safely swing a lead. Gets me thinking is the likes of that bloke a bitter thing because he can't? I think it is, but again not in all cases as I have seen a fair few lads pendulum casting in some stupid places like the pier and the walkway. But have seen even more lads ground casting but for some reason that is viewed as safer???

[codcatcher3000]

maybe he was just scared lol, imo its your judgement call with regards to personal n public safety. the otg can be just as effective but maybe looks or feel safer because u can start on the ground at anytime instead of hitting it at the right aerialized spot?

[CHUKKA]

Its not the casting style that's dangerous it's the caster.

I'd rather be nearer a top caster with 80lb leader, proper knots, leads with fixed eyes, decent swivels etc than some knob who thinks he can cast with 30lb straight through, swivels off ebay or worse still a set of £1 mackerel feathers and a 6oz lead..

Some styles are safer than others but anyone who has seen jamie cast off the ground wouldn't want to be on his right. The Hatteras cast whilst not the exact same as a pendulum has a very similar power arc if done right.

The key with all casting is technique body position sinker arc, putting the power in at the right time etc etc.

Someone who takes on a big arc but applies the power very late is not as big a danger as someone who goes in for the instant power hit! I try where possible to keep my right clear but it's not always possible and you always get some dick who decides to plonk there selves right next to you.

Everyone just needs to be aware of the danger and take the best precautions they can. If a cheap swivel or lightish shockleader (ie 50lb) fails try arguing that one in court!

[Juliogeordio]

With the right kit, appropriate leaders etc.... Most styles are safe if done in the right place. I've seen a few 'experienced' fishermen on the piers doing a pendulum with loads of people around and then moaning about maccy bashers and their light gear with 6oz sinkers.... Equally as stupid in my opinion.

[Nooo Fish]

Your probably right mate. Most people will think a full pendulum is more dangerous than OTG. Probably because most of the casting lads hit the biggest distance using a pendulum cast. If I cast OTG I make sure me mates are to my right so the lead is going away from them. You've just got to use ya head when deciding how to cast and making sure you've got safe gear on your rod.

The bloke that parked up next to you sounds like a ding though.

[cod magnet]

had the same happen to me in the past, people to the left of me complaining, think a lot to do with jealousy, all casting can be dangerous , a powefull OTG cast can be just as dangerous as pendulum casting, but if the person was to the left of me i would just use 2 words f oof

[CHUKKA]

A polite request to stand back or move to the left or right should be all thats needed. Its the idiots who would rather stand there ground and be awkward that boils my pxxx. No need for it. Trouble is it can be match anglers trying to keep you off the mark.

Its the same with anglers casting over each other, the sensible ones move the rods to uncross lines whilst others just stand there

[onefortheroad]

suprised you didnt request a meet up at hendon wall .

casting is casting tbh , all he had to do was watch you preparing to chuck out and lie low to the ground for a few seconds . cant see his problem

[Mad as a fish]

I would like to learn how to pendulum cast simple over head lob is all I have ever done and that is crap but I still catch fish, just never got round to it are lessons exspensive I am 62 now and think I might be past it, but if there is anyone out there willing to try to learn a old dog new tricks and not too exspensive i would give it a go

[mst]

Any cast that swings the lead sideways is dangerous to anyone in the direction of swing but if your at the opposite side I would imagine your safe. Otg casts are safe if you cast straight over your head as if you snap off it allways goes up and straight ahead of you. A otg cast to the side which I've seen done on piers !! is probably more dangerous than any peny cast !

[beachbuddy]

Having fishe last week and got asked by the bloke who turned up after I was there fishing for a good hour decided the mile long rock mark was to small so set his tripod 6ft away, he then after I cast came over and asked me to stop pendulum casting I explained that he was to the left of me so was impossible to hit, his response was it's dangerous so stop it, few words late I told him to move further away from me if he didn't like it. (Possibly not as polite as that) while baiting a trace up I noticed he was casting off the floor, do people just assume casting of the floor is safe? As it has the exact same dangers as pendulum casting does, you put the same power in so a knot or line could go just the same when I went over to have this debate he would not believe me, these people are the dangerous casters not the 95% of people who safely swing a lead. Gets me thinking is the likes of that bloke a bitter thing because he can't? I think it is, but again not in all cases as I have seen a fair few lads pendulum casting in some stupid places like the pier and the walkway. But have seen even more lads ground casting but for some reason that is viewed as safer???

He might have wanted to share your sarnies youngin o forgot to mention he might have wanted to buy your new rod lol

[Stewart 1971]

Its not the casting style that's dangerous it's the caster.

I'd rather be nearer a top caster with 80lb leader, proper knots, leads with fixed eyes, decent swivels etc than some knob who thinks he can cast with 30lb straight through, swivels off ebay or worse still a set of £1 mackerel feathers and a 6oz lead..

Some styles are safer than others but anyone who has seen jamie cast off the ground wouldn't want to be on his right. The Hatteras cast whilst not the exact same as a pendulum has a very similar power arc if done right.

The key with all casting is technique body position sinker arc, putting the power in at the right time etc etc.

Someone who takes on a big arc but applies the power very late is not as big a danger as someone who goes in for the instant power hit! I try where possible to keep my right clear but it's not always possible and you always get some dick who decides to plonk there selves right next to you.

Everyone just needs to be aware of the danger and take the best precautions they can. If a cheap swivel or lightish shockleader (ie 50lb) fails try arguing that one in court!

Spot on, top, top post. The only thing I'd add is that very few people really understand the mechanics of a pendulum cast (especially the planes that the lead travels in) and that a properly executed fishing pendulum is much safer than an OTG cast (which in itself is pretty safe).

I've fished down arc of Gary Blanchard a few times and it didn't bother me one bit but then I know he knows his onions. As for me, my 80lb leader, 80lb rig body, good quality components and that fact that my fishing cast doesn't see any power applied until the final hit is, as said above, a million times safer than the joker who thinks 25lb straight through is perfectly safe

[Nooo Fish]

I agree with you there stu mate. When you were fishing near me the other week I noticed you were using pendulum but it didn't bother me in the slightest. I'd rather fish next to someone like yourself than a numpty with 25lb straight through just whackin it out.

[john/r]

lot depends do you think of what type of otg cast.south african cast ie lead approx 90 degree to tip or the brighten/layback/inertia whatever you want to call.

to me south african is potentialy more dangerous than the brighten cast,talking to a guy down south the other day who has cast 290yds pendulum says he only uses brighten cast for fishing refuses to pendulum amongst people.

[cod magnet]

lot depends do you think of what type of otg cast.south african cast ie lead approx 90 degree to tip or the brighten/layback/inertia whatever you want to call.

to me south african is potentialy more dangerous than the brighten cast,talking to a guy down south the other day who has cast 290yds pendulum says he only uses brighten cast for fishing refuses to pendulum amongst people.

to get big distances with the high inertia cast you must create a arc of about 45 degree and that in it self puts the rod under considerable compression and it is still a dangerous cast , i use the style for fishing a lot and over grass it is capable of well over 200 yards, i would be very careful about using it at full power close to other people, how ever you can cut the arc out and bring it straight over the top and still get good distances and its less dangerous