heavy ground--lots of kelp--snood length

[mardenq]

short--very short or long?,ive started tying my hook snood onto the swivel that holds my rig body to main line,not a three way one,i have rig body and hook snood onto the same eye on the swivel,rig body to rotton bottom then a shortish hook snood,trying to use least amount of swivels ect so less to get caught up in the kelp
whats other people using and why ?

[NICKY]

I use a blood loop drooper rig with a 3ft snood and 2ft body i did try loads of others like the 3 way swivel ect ect but the old tried and tested method seem to work ok for me

[Pighunter]

I foung short pulley rigs using 2 swivels 2 small beads and one lead clip the best for a bit of distance in the rough but for short lobs a 4ft rig body 3 foot snood on a pulley got me the bigger fish for some reason, also found that the main thing is use plain leads got miles more gear back using them.

[finseeker]

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[Pighunter]

Listen to finseeker and Nicky both no more than me for up north.

[davidhayley1945]

same as nicky and finseeker,only a 4ft snood to a 2ft body keep it simple less swivels and beads to get fast up. davy.

[Deans]

tried a few combinations if your on about rough ground fishing

I find its important to alter the rig choice depending on what height your fishing from., for example comparing lobbing from a cliff into heavy stuff, or on a beach, wacking as far as you can into heavy stuff. the rigs would be completly different in order to help get the fish back.

even more important the rotten bottom strength ratio to the main line/rod your using.

already said by dave, nicky and them. the basic rig with a slightly longer snood good. cannot argue with these lads. keeps the fish just below the lead when dragging through the tangles.

if you gan for a pulley, just think twice on which weak link you use!!!!!

[andyco]

some good advice here, im gonna try some blood loop rough ground rigs, a few questions though!!

1. for a 2ft body and 3ft hooklength, does that mean 2ft from the blood loop to the lead? or is the bloodloop tied in the middle of the 2ft body (i.e. 1ft from the loop to the lead?

2. also, how long and what strength weaklink line to people use (if im using 40lb mainline straight trough and 40lb rig body). and I suppose I should take the length of the weaklink into account for the snood length (to keep the lead in front of the fish?).

3. if youre using a bigger/heavier bait, like a wrap of sandeel/macky/bluey, does the snood not tangle up around the rig above the blood loop? should I use a pulley/clipped rig for bigger baits?

any advice appreciated!! ive never successfully fished heavy kelpy ground but want to give it a good shot.

[g-force]

I'd certainly use a lot more than 40lb rig-body....60 minimum (personally I use 80). The blood-loop knot weakens it considerably, and can also be pulled out of shape when pulling from a fast-had, so I don't really use it any more. I'll usually tie both rig body & hook-length to the same swivel (as per the OP) & I usually use about a 4ft body and hook-length about 3ft 6in so the bait is just above the sinker. Simple rotten-bottom on the end of the rig with 15 or 20lb weak-link (I want to be able to snap it easily with the rod if there's a good fish on and it gets fast....rather lose a few sinkers than fish!).

Gary

[andyco]

I'd certainly use a lot more than 40lb rig-body....60 minimum (personally I use 80). The blood-loop knot weakens it considerably, and can also be pulled out of shape when pulling from a fast-had, so I don't really use it any more. I'll usually tie both rig body & hook-length to the same swivel (as per the OP) & I usually use about a 4ft body and hook-length about 3ft 6in so the bait is just above the sinker. Simple rotten-bottom on the end of the rig with 15 or 20lb weak-link (I want to be able to snap it easily with the rod if there's a good fish on and it gets fast....rather lose a few sinkers than fish!).

Gary

spot on, thanks

[mardenq]

I'd certainly use a lot more than 40lb rig-body....60 minimum (personally I use 80). The blood-loop knot weakens it considerably, and can also be pulled out of shape when pulling from a fast-had, so I don't really use it any more. I'll usually tie both rig body & hook-length to the same swivel (as per the OP) & I usually use about a 4ft body and hook-length about 3ft 6in so the bait is just above the sinker. Simple rotten-bottom on the end of the rig with 15 or 20lb weak-link (I want to be able to snap it easily with the rod if there's a good fish on and it gets fast....rather lose a few sinkers than fish!).

Gary

yep that's my way gary,only one swivel and upside down clip for rotton bottom.,less to get snagged up