Did,nt realise that.

[mick dunn]

I read a very interesting fact in sea angler mag this week which may explain where i have been going wrong with my fishing.
On legged piers (like Steetly) It is better to fish with the incoming tide. because any hook baits on paternoster style will be forced onto the sea bed.(i have been using the pulley system).explains why i like fishing with the tide coming in.
Most winter species like cod will not take bait, up off the sea bed.
When the tide goes down the current forces a bow in your line lifting paternoster baits off the floor.
It is always better to fish with one up and one down traces.l will remember that next time and give it a go.
I,ll use one of these.
20 SEA LEGER BEADS - SEAFISHING on eBay, also Other Sea Fishing, Sea Fishing, Fishing, Sporting Goods (end time 12-Jan-08 18:01:45 GMT)

[Topfly]

Mick , These are sliders , used for boat fishing mainly. If you are trying to keep your bait on the seabed, use a bullet lead just above the hook with grip or fixed wire sinker.

[YoursTruly]

I read a very interesting fact in sea angler mag this week which may explain where i have been going wrong with my fishing.
On legged piers (like Steetly) It is better to fish with the incoming tide. because any hook baits on paternoster style will be forced onto the sea bed.(i have been using the pulley system).explains why i like fishing with the tide coming in.
Most winter species like cod will not take bait, up off the sea bed.
When the tide goes down the current forces a bow in your line lifting paternoster baits off the floor.
It is always better to fish with one up and one down traces.l will remember that next time and give it a go.
I,ll use one of these.
20 SEA LEGER BEADS - SEAFISHING on eBay, also Other Sea Fishing, Sea Fishing, Fishing, Sporting Goods (end time 12-Jan-08 18:01:45 GMT)

Hi Mick, if what you say (or sea angler) is true and cod wont take bait up off the sea bed then please explain (or get them) how and why i catch many codling using a very short hook snood which is a minimum of 18ins above the sea bed.

[Vamp]

Cod are bottom feeders,like whiting rockling flatties and most other fish in our waters,apart from summer fish like the mackie and that,thats why trawlers trawl the sea bed for cod,and we boat fish on the bottom for Cod and shore fish for them on the bottom.
U never see any one using a float to catch cod,cause they feed on the bottom.
That why i stopped reading the Sea Angler,loads of nonsense and adverts in it

[Stores]

Hmmm Yours Truly speaks with much wisdom. My beach rig has a 4 or 5 feet trace that, in a bit of run, can be on or 5 feet off the bottom whereas my skeer set up is, as his, two feet off the sinker. Reality says that the way you are fishing usually means they are usually the same, just at a different angle. Best not to get too complicated with the rig. Concentrate on the bait and where you chuck it.

[YoursTruly]

Cod are bottom feeders,like whiting rockling flatties and most other fish in our waters,apart from summer fish like the mackie and that,thats why trawlers trawl the sea bed for cod,and we boat fish on the bottom for Cod and shore fish for them on the bottom.
U never see any one using a float to catch cod,cause they feed on the bottom.
That why i stopped reading the Sea Angler,loads of nonsense and adverts in it

Vamp, yes cod are bottom feeders (predominantly but not always) i do quite a bit of diving and find myself on the sea bed looking up at different species of fish feeding well above the sea bed, cod included and that is why boat anglers catch some of their cod well off the bottom.
The point i am trying to make is the articles you read in sea angler are only partly correct andare usually the way the journalist (cos lets face it thats what most of them are with a few exceptions) sees it and that does not make it 100% correct.

[mick dunn]

Thanks for the advice guys. I,m going to buy a rig maker set for £7.99 next week from Glasgow angling centre and experiment making a few rigs of my own. Should be fun because i normally buy them already set up off e-bay.

Mick.

[Jimbob]

Interesting debate this. Stores and Terry are far better anglers than me but this is what I have learnt - the best way I can present a bait to fish is on the little white booms. Always out-catches any other method and anyone else fishing clean marks e.g. piers/beaches etc. I find the best way of presenting a large bait on a clean beach to be either a plain pennel patternoster - usual 2.5ft trace, or if very clean, a bomber or 'golds' rig with two hooks (the last one being on a cascade swivel). For rock marks I find pulley rigs good and short snoods good because they can hang a bait above the weed and sometimes from a cliff I will fish with a very long trace body and relatively short snood in an attempt to hang above the crap.

But as stores says, put a bait in the right place at any height and you will catch. End of shields pier rigs are all like boat rigs, plain leads for the tide going out with longish snoods just off the lead.

Good to have a debate about the 'best rig'. I presume Terry that you use 40lb/50lb line straight through with similar strength short rigs for your lion taming off whitburn ??

[YoursTruly]

I presume Terry that you use 40lb/50lb line straight through with similar strength short rigs for your lion taming off whitburn ??

Hi Jimbob, yes i use 40lb straight through around marsden and whitburn.

[blackvelvet]

well I might be female BUT I used to read the sea-angler mag. I found out that year in year out it is all much the same. advertising advertising.....straight throw line the less metal the less crap on your line. respect the .sea check the tides good fresh bait and keep the knowledge of what the local lads tell you, most of all enjoy your fishing and when you land a fish it's the icing on the cake.

[paulthespark]

cod are scavenges.and when they are hungry and on the feed any scent trail they pick up in the sea wether it.s fresh peeler or rotting, lets say lug worm thats been rolling around on the bottom for a few days they,l go for it, and as they are quite good swimmers i don,t think it will make any differance to them if the bait is 3 foot off the seabed or on it

[Beachlover]

I have always believed that wherever you fish from whether it is a pier or rock or beach and you cast a desent distance (say 100 yards) at least the last twenty or thirty yards of this line will be lying on the bottom whether you have a stiff rod with the line tightened or not, so I would have expected the point where the snood joins the rig to be right on the sea bed, I therefore can not see why if the snood join is on the sea bed that the bait should be anywhere else than on the seabed.

I could understand that if you are fishing deep water and about 30 yards out then the angle of the line would suggest that the snood join would be well off the ground therefore any current would keep the bait suspended at right angles to the snood join.

I'm no expert mind, this is just my opinion. Short of scuba diving and looking at the different snoods on the sea bed I think a lot of it is just guess work.

As I say the above is only my opinion, but I can give you one piece of advice, if you're not catching fish try experimenting, if you are catching fish leave well alone.