bad news

[davem2005]

There will always be those who wont change and hopefully if the stocks recover it wont actually make a lot of difference to overall stocks.

I know that the NFSA, which a lot of clubs are members of and who's guideline rules a lot of club matches are fished to, are trying to change the rules to try avoid this sensless waste of fish, which is very similar to the commercial discards albeit on a smaller scale. It will take time to change the way anglers work but at least it is happening.

This is in direct contrast to the news today that commercial fishermen are meeting today to complain about the new quota's stating there are plenty of fish and we want to be able to catch them ( ALL ) and if you dont let us we plan to blockade Dover port.

What a lovely longsighted attitude that is.

There is also to be a televised debate regarding the angling license on SE Today at 6.30pm which will be available to veiw online and for a period after that. Its between Leon Roskilly (against) and Alan Yates (For)...should be an intresting one. I will try put up a link to watch online.

It may be a suprise to learn that although throughout this thread Falcone and I have been on opposite sides of the fence we have actually fished together on numerous occasions. First time he came out with me I told him my policy which was I rarely take fish home as we seldom eat fish as the Mrs wont cook it, but had no objection if he wanted to keep what he caught within reason. Since then my attitudes has changed and now I nearly always bring home cod if it is a decent size...and by that I dont mean legal size...but a size beyond that which it has had a chance to spawn. We've had some great days out in the past and will again in the future.

Cheers
Dave

[mark]

I guess ultimately, that spotting and moaning about illegal commercial fishing is pointless unless you can identify the culprit - boat name/number, so that something can be done about it

As far as taking fish goes, I do eat fish as often as I can and will continue to do so, fish I take tend to occupy the middle ground, I'm generally not going to keep any cod thats getting into the 8-10lb plus bracket, The way I look at that is, if thats fish's genetics are strong enough to get it to that size, it will have bred and will breed again and thats the type of fish we want in the 'gene pool' to strengthen the breed.

For me the best fish in terms of size and, quality of eating are the 4 to 5lbers, which should of bred at least once, but are still young and lively enough to be the best on a plate!

Nice to have seen such a lively debate on here that has remained pretty sensible and has hardly needed moderating!

[Falcone]

I have to catch them first, i dont catch too many fish, if i catch codling, if they are between 2-3lb i will take one home for the wife, allthough her preferred fish is whiting, of which ill take a couple of 1lb or more for her, anything else goes straight back , as i dont eat the stuff myself.

I dont fish for mackerel at all on the piers during the summer, as we all know once handled there pretty much on death row.

As for your little bit in there Dave, i wouldnt say i was opposed to anyone at all, i just believe that both anglers and commercials have an equal right to fish our waters, and that its not always the commercial thats the bad guy and the angler is the good guy, a common misconception amonst anglers and new people coming into the sport may jump on the band wagon and thats not really a good thing.
Ive always maintained the fault lies with the government, they set the rules, we only follow them, if the government made the right noises we wouldnt be having this debate {as good as it is}.
There will always be commercial boats, as long as the demand is there for the fish.

More white fish farms should be setup with government funding creating jobs, so if the commercial sector was to be cut down, the jobs could be filtered through to them.

Less days at Sea for Trawlers, thus giving the ecosystem time to recover.

If there is to be a golden mile, this should also include angling boats, otherwise it would cause all manner of problems between angler and commercial.

and yes dave i enjoy our days out, and look forward to the next one hehe.

[The Great Wallsendo]

A Prophecy?

Simon Peter saith unto them, I go a fishing. They say unto him, We also go with thee. They went forth, and entered into a ship immediately; and that night they caught nothing.

Source: Bible - John (ch. XXI, v. 3)

[mark]

More white fish farms should be setup with government funding creating jobs, so if the commercial sector was to be cut down, the jobs could be filtered through to them.

don't get me going on fish farms!

[The Great Wallsendo]

If you buy the River Cottage Fish Book there is a lot of info (and opinion) regarding ALL the topics that have been covered in this thread....RRP £30 but a very interesting read nonetheless

[KeithB]

If you buy the River Cottage Fish Book there is a lot of info (and opinion) regarding ALL the topics that have been covered in this thread....RRP £30 but a very interesting read nonetheless

£22.49 at play.com

[Lowrider]

I have to catch them first, i dont catch too many fish, if i catch codling, if they are between 2-3lb i will take one home for the wife, allthough her preferred fish is whiting, of which ill take a couple of 1lb or more for her, anything else goes straight back , as i dont eat the stuff myself.

I dont fish for mackerel at all on the piers during the summer, as we all know once handled there pretty much on death row.

As for your little bit in there Dave, i wouldnt say i was opposed to anyone at all, i just believe that both anglers and commercials have an equal right to fish our waters, and that its not always the commercial thats the bad guy and the angler is the good guy, a common misconception amonst anglers and new people coming into the sport may jump on the band wagon and thats not really a good thing.
Ive always maintained the fault lies with the government, they set the rules, we only follow them, if the government made the right noises we wouldnt be having this debate {as good as it is}.
There will always be commercial boats, as long as the demand is there for the fish.

More white fish farms should be setup with government funding creating jobs, so if the commercial sector was to be cut down, the jobs could be filtered through to them.

Less days at Sea for Trawlers, thus giving the ecosystem time to recover.

If there is to be a golden mile, this should also include angling boats, otherwise it would cause all manner of problems between angler and commercial.

and yes dave i enjoy our days out, and look forward to the next one hehe.

A good well thought out post and one i agree with.

[mark]

If you buy the River Cottage Fish Book there is a lot of info (and opinion) regarding ALL the topics that have been covered in this thread....RRP £30 but a very interesting read nonetheless

£15 in Tesco's

[The Great Wallsendo]

....LOL....good job it was a gift from a loved one then

[ryanlee]

well just been informed that the 29 stone was actually 39 that was sold at market this included 2 boxes of bass yess BASS.3 boxes of pollock yes POLLOCK.the rest was cod yes COD.
the rest of the haul which did not go to market was half the 39 stone and that was sold privetly.
he the owner has just returned from working away and intends on setting the nets again tonight 9.1.08.
as with the quota system i agree and disagree but thats the government for you.untill this is sorted out this overfishing will just continue.movibg on to the pots well speaking to some of the boats who do this for a living reported they were getting good catches of fish from the pots,so this will also have a detrimental affect on us all.if tim insists on this sort of overfishing thats his proogative but needs to be carefull as stated in another post by another user this is were he gets his wage from.
he also stated catch and release as did some others,bag limits and the like.
look at one of the opens last year they had a flatty limit on and size limit for the flats.what happened was they lost the match anglers,they didnt want to fish with that in place.
look what happened at the sea-league finals which was catch and release with recordings.
an angler from this area marked and signed another anglers card from down south,then when he returned home 2wks latter he receaved a letter with the results.guess what yes your right the points he had marked had gone up from 30 points to 42 points.a 12 point difference.this was taken up with the guy in charge who told thie angler from up here that he must of missed calculated the points.after further investigation the angler from down south had 12 points deducted from his score card.

[LeonRoskilly]

There is also to be a televised debate regarding the angling license on SE Today at 6.30pm which will be available to veiw online and for a period after that. Its between Leon Roskilly (against) and Alan Yates (For)...should be an intresting one. I will try put up a link to watch online.

Watch BBC1 Southeast Today at 6:30pm (Wednesday 9th January)

BBC - South East Today - Homepage

You can watch online, or watch the latest programme (until the next programme overwrites) via the link on the right of the page.

You should also be able to get it on sky channel 983


Myself making a case against the licence and Alan Yates for the licence.

I don't know how the cutting will go!

[The Great Wallsendo]

I think you've misinterpreted some peoples posts a little - I don't think anyone has agreed with overfishing...what people HAVE said is that some Anglers are a bit hypocritical to assume all the blame lies at the commercial fishermans door

Your original post was about the (possibly illegal?) netter...which no one is denying is detrimental to the shore fishing in that immediate vicinity...problem is if he is acting legally then there is nowt to stop him. Ethics don't even come into the equation if it's legal business and I'd be very surprised if he gives a monkeys about the feelings of the shore angler.

There obviously is a problem if it is illegal and nothing is being done about it

well just been informed that the 29 stone was actually 39 that was sold at market this included 2 boxes of bass yess BASS.3 boxes of pollock yes POLLOCK.the rest was cod yes COD.
the rest of the haul which did not go to market was half the 39 stone and that was sold privetly.
he the owner has just returned from working away and intends on setting the nets again tonight 9.1.08.
as with the quota system i agree and disagree but thats the government for you.untill this is sorted out this overfishing will just continue.movibg on to the pots well speaking to some of the boats who do this for a living reported they were getting good catches of fish from the pots,so this will also have a detrimental affect on us all.if tim insists on this sort of overfishing thats his proogative but needs to be carefull as stated in another post by another user this is were he gets his wage from.
he also stated catch and release as did some others,bag limits and the like.
look at one of the opens last year they had a flatty limit on and size limit for the flats.what happened was they lost the match anglers,they didnt want to fish with that in place.
look what happened at the sea-league finals which was catch and release with recordings.
an angler from this area marked and signed another anglers card from down south,then when he returned home 2wks latter he receaved a letter with the results.guess what yes your right the points he had marked had gone up from 30 points to 42 points.a 12 point difference.this was taken up with the guy in charge who told thie angler from up here that he must of missed calculated the points.after further investigation the angler from down south had 12 points deducted from his score card.

[ryanlee]

believe me wallsendo he is legal.he has just bought a boat for £100 grand.
but he does not do this full time.more to the point is when he lands fish on the market what is not landed???.

[mark]

well just been informed that the 29 stone was actually 39 that was sold at market this included 2 boxes of bass yess BASS.3 boxes of pollock yes POLLOCK.the rest was cod yes COD.
the rest of the haul which did not go to market was half the 39 stone and that was sold privetly.
he the owner has just returned from working away and intends on setting the nets again tonight 9.1.08.
as with the quota system i agree and disagree but thats the government for you.untill this is sorted out this overfishing will just continue.movibg on to the pots well speaking to some of the boats who do this for a living reported they were getting good catches of fish from the pots,so this will also have a detrimental affect on us all.if tim insists on this sort of overfishing thats his proogative but needs to be carefull as stated in another post by another user this is were he gets his wage from.
he also stated catch and release as did some others,bag limits and the like.
look at one of the opens last year they had a flatty limit on and size limit for the flats.what happened was they lost the match anglers,they didnt want to fish with that in place.
look what happened at the sea-league finals which was catch and release with recordings.
an angler from this area marked and signed another anglers card from down south,then when he returned home 2wks latter he receaved a letter with the results.guess what yes your right the points he had marked had gone up from 30 points to 42 points.a 12 point difference.this was taken up with the guy in charge who told thie angler from up here that he must of missed calculated the points.after further investigation the angler from down south had 12 points deducted from his score card.

curious to know how you know his movements for tonight