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[treeboa]

if the land was raped and the damage was the same as the sea gets there would be hell on earth to pay, with the sea it seems to be out of sight out of mind for most people

[Falcone]

Im obviously not getting my point across, its clear the feeling here about commercials, some may have valid grounds for the reasoning which i can fully understand.
People who have limited knowledge of how commercials work or the people that work on them really need to go and talk with these skippers and deckhands and draw up there own conclusions rather than jump on the band wagon and take up other people views without getting off there fat arse and actually researching.
If they care so much about there sport then do something proactive and talk to people, all i see is people whining about it with no action.

If you have read any other posts concerning commericials i have posted in ,you will know that i support a change in the whole quota system. Fisherman should be given subsidies, similar to those issued to farmers, cutting the number of days at sea for fisherman.
I also mentioned how the whole quota system was flawed.

Graham {oblikta} is totally right in his post, the government should be held accountable for this and not the fishermen.

Im not of the belief that commercials are untouchable, but do get so sick of hearing people come up with stupid statements, when they have no clue what there talking about.
Im of the belief, If i have nothing constructive or im lacking knowledge in a subject i tend to keep my mouth shut rather than say something stupid and make myself look silly.

On one last note i will state that everyone is under the illusion that these commercial guys make an abundance of hard cash, whilst this may be true for some, its a very small minority.
Where i live in Seaham, we had a bustling port with 30+ trawlers and a load of smaller cobbles, potters etc , approximatly 60 boats, we now have 3.
The guy i worked with had to give it up because it was'nt viable as a business any longer and he now works in a factory, and he cirtainly doesnt have a villa in spain.

[johnf]

One of the netters has just hauled his nets in this morning. 300yards off the bathing pool skear. Who's going to pay for a license when you have to compete with that!.

[YoursTruly]

Seaham Boats

Falcone: and why do you think there are only 3 boats left who fish out from Seaham, of course i am not going to insult your intelligence as i am sure you know only to well why, the boats who have packed in cannot make a living so have been forced to move on which is the same in any business.
Its all to easy to blame the Government about quotas etc, but wy oh why can the commercials not see sense and stop this mass slaughtering of undersized fish, I like many other anglers try and put a high percentage of the fish i catch back unharmed so they can go on to reproduce and replenish the stocks and i do this out of my own free will not because the government have told me it is something i should do, surely if i can forward think then the commercials could choose to do likewise instead of selecting the better fish (higher value in money) and simply dumping the smaller so it wont affect there quotas.
And you want the likes of me to feel sorry for them, get real it is they and not the Government who have killed the fish stocks.
If we anglers just stopped whining and trying to put a point forward then the commercials are going to screw it up for us also.
If i had my way i would get the Gun at Trow rocks working and blow every boat out of the water that tried to shoot nets so close to shore, the Icelanders had the right idea when they held onto the fishing rights.

[Jaguar]

why can't people focus on what they want to catch and stop whining over what they dont have control over. Or willy will have to lock this post

[YoursTruly]

why can't people focus on what they want to catch and stop whining over what they dont have control over. Or willy will have to lock this post

In my humble opinion i dont think this post would not even be considered for locking (unless some mindless fool decides to get personal) as it is simply debate which apart from advice is what forums are all about.

[The Great Wallsendo]

Why push the issue under the carpet and forget it doesn't exist? That's exactly how the Grand Bank stocks were obliterated (by over 90%) and have still not recovered after 15 years

[willywetegg]

Your humble opinion would be correct Terry lol, however we will be keeping a close eye on it as it happens nearly every time there is a thread like this mate. Opinion is fine, personal attacks are not.

Jim.

[5150]

Well, I for one am all for the commercial ships raping our seas until they're empty. Then they'll all be out of business and the seas will be left alone to recover slowly. During which time people will learn to stop targetting a limited number of species and realise that the sea has (or had by that time!) and abundance of food to offer us that we've until now only seen as by-catch and dumped or shipped to Europe. Odd one to say but as an angler I don't eat a lot of seafood, but when I do it is mostly what I catch myself because I hate nothing more than seeing the amount of wasted food all around us, why kill so many living things purely for them to end up as fertiliser, animal food or more often the case - in the bin?

Purely my opinion, but to me the commercial fishing industry is it's own worst enemy, the more I read about the state of our waters stocks and the more I see the fleets complaining at cuts in quotas, the more it becomes clearly ludicrous that no-one is sitting down and looking at real solutions. Seem to vividly recall many Rex Hunt programmes where he is on about the mess Australia's fisheries were in until they finally did something about it. Breeding programmes, catch limits, catch-and-release only area's and area's fully banned for commercial hits.

[johnf]

Jaguar. I think the problem is because there seems to be no control. Fish stocks are low and there seems to be no effective plans in place to combat this. The attitude seems to be make a quick buck while we can and to hell with the consequences. Who cares if the cod become virtually extinct, we've made our money so now well get a job doing something else. Effective management of stocks is required, whether that means no go areas (like spawning grounds) or 3 mile offshore exclusion zones, or pay the trawlers to stay in the harbour (the government did it for the farmers !). I thought angling was a bigger moneymaker than commercial fishing these days. Some government big-wig has got to recognise this sooner than later.

[Lowrider]

Your humble opinion would be correct Terry lol, however we will be keeping a close eye on it as it happens nearly every time there is a thread like this mate. Opinion is fine, personal attacks are not.

Jim.

Quite agree,people seem to forget that this is a forum,the people on here are bleeps and whistles down a phone lineno more,,no need to get personal.
On that note,i can only disagree with the opinion that WE should go talk to trawlers skippers and it is down to the angler,or the posters on here, to go and hear what they skippers have to say.
While everyone should strive to listen to all points i fail to see why they,the trawler owners who are getting bad rep and may suffer via tighter rules should not make the effort to get there point over.
I ask again,is there any,even on a local level,any commercial owner or owners doing anything about getting there point over.
Lets face it,have they thought on the possibility that anglers and trawlers have the same aim in mind.
Catching fish,a united front from anglers and trawler owner would provide a powerful lobby to the government.
But so often i get the feeling that the trawlers owners put themselves above the angler since,as has been said,"its their living".
An attitude that they will have to change and get more savvy or a attitude change will be enforced on them by the governement and i have never been keen on any meddling on anything from the governemnt.
Can you imagine the effect if the trawlers agreed a limit from the beach to aid anglers and the anglers joined forces with the trawlers in fighting for a better poilcy for the sea.
They would be a powerful force.

[codnot]

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i have red the post some good points for & against the commercial.& shore fisherman it's 1 of them things that will go on & on i here give respect to this &give respect to that why do we not give the fish some respect for once instead of ravaging the sea dry of all fish give the numbers a Chan's to rise agane then there will be plenty for all.. eg. in the 40/50's u could catch tuna at Scarborough now the place to get tuner is tesco's the greed of man 1 fish 0 & it go's on like this all over the world yes man has the right to make a liven but fish have the right to live

[mickcave83]

i can see the point in them doing it to make a living but what seriously gets my back up is when they blatently see many anglers fishing the pier and they drop there nets or pots within 25 yards of the pier where your fishing

[ron thompson11]

as mentioned earlier, us pleasure fishermen will complain when the cod are virtually extinct, but we can still fish for other lesser species, the commercial fishermen will either do the same or be forced out of business, but what about the long term effects on our planet? marine life and the ocean are an integral part of our enviroment & the eco-system ,and it is likely that it will be incapable of ever hosting cod populations as it once did.

There is a "Commons" theory- whereby natural resources, such as fish, woodlands and other natural resources and commodities, are viewed as assets held in common for everyone, but which no-one actually owns. Once exploitation of that asset commences- everyone piles in and tries to claim their own share. This continues until the maximum carrying capacity of the resource is reached, after which point the resource as a whole deteriorates, but the individuals exploiting the resource exploit it ever more for personal gain- until the inevitable occurs.

[Rod_bender]

If no one bought cod then there would be no demand for it, i for one don't buy cod for that reason, it's not sustainable and it's far too expensive, pound for pound it costs more than steak.