Braid knots and sourcing

[Lynnzer]

Don't know if anyone picked up on it yesterday but there was a HUGE offer on braid. Dyneema from China. Bidding for free delivery started at 95 pence for 300 metre spools and as there so many spools of all sorts of colours and line strengths I bid on dozens of them. I thought some may just slip through at the initial bid offer and lo and behold I found I'd won 15 spools plus a few lures for the princely sum of less than £20 in total.

Just to finalise this before someone realised his mistake I made payment straight off.

As I suspected this was a mistake by the seller and he now says his sister forgot to add postal costs so would I accept these on top. Am currently negotiating for postal costs for a single bulk parcel. I may well have some braid to offer in due course, anywhere from 10 to 60lb.

Now, I already use braid. What I need to find out though is a suitable knot for tying 2 different strengths of braid together. Typically a 30lb main-line to 70lb leader.
I'm not at all happy with the usual mono type knots for this and the "smallest and strongest knot in the world" relies on the braid main-line actually gripping - sinking into the mono which isn't something that happens with braid to braid.

Ideas guys........

[Prof Peach]

If people come up with suggestions I'm happy to tie a few and pull test them on a tensile strength machine at work.

I've done a load of tests on braid to mono shockleader and by far the strongest and most consistent is a bimini twist in the braid tied to leader using an improved Albright. The braid main line on it's own snapped at 43lb and I could get the knots to a consistant 39lb to 41lb with any breaks in the single strand mono nearest the knot.
That equates to 90+% which is as good as it gets.

I also did tests on how glues might either strengthen or even change the molecular structure of the line and weaken it.

Both super glue and araldite had no negative effect. It didn't seem to have a positive effect either as the weak point was always the single strands either side of the connections. Try not to manhandle the braid too much when knotting as the abrasion definitely weakens it and has an adverse affect on it's pull strength.

[dabcatcher]

i was tieing braid to braid last night. i used a seven turn grinner on each length of braid then pulled them together. lovely small knots with no slip at all.

[Lynnzer]

Chinese braid supplier orders

I've had word back from the Chinese Ebay'er about the postage on the 15 braid spools. He's OK to let me have them for an extra £6 in total for the postage costs. That's only an extra 40 pence a spool.

Now, as a gesture of thanks to him I've told him I may be willing to take orders on his behalf from forum members wanting braid themselves without going through the hassle of bidding.

I'm waiting for a response to this. If you are interested though, let me know what line strength and colour you would want. I can put them all together in a bulk order and see what he can do on price.

The strengths are 6lb, 8lb, 10lb, 15lb, 20lb, 30lb, 40lb, 50lb, 60lb, 70lb and 100lb. Colours are yellow, green (olive), blue, purple, white and any others you can find on the initial link I gave. At the sort of price he's likely to come back with colour shouldn't be an issue anyway.

Don't PM me on this. Send to my temporary email address sr81lw@gmail.com
I need to know what you want, and your full name and forum name. I'll then post the result on the topic and get agreement from each of you before placing the order.

Just to save you time, the offers still on his site won't be accepted without payment of the £6 for postage costs his sister cocked up on. He'll do a refund of a payment instead.

[over par]

Have a look on Knot wars, a free app that has dozens of knot demo's. I'm sure one will do it for you.

[Prof Peach]

Got that. Good app.

[Juliogeordio]

Typically most people use mono as a leader to braid mainline mate, not stronger braid. Alternatively just go with a stronger breaking strain of mainline braid right through. Due to its diameter being smaller than mono you can use quite high strength mainline with low diameters which shouldn't effect your casting too much. For that reason it probly isn't necessary to tie a higher strength braid leader as there isn't as much to gain from it compared to the hassle it would cause

[nunthorpe mag]

never failed yet
Yucatan Knot for fishing, tying line to line. Braid to mono fishing knot - YouTube

[Prof Peach]

Typically most people use mono as a leader to braid mainline mate, not stronger braid..........

I use a decent quality mono shockleader to add a little stretch and shock absorption. I can understand a length of braid mono for abrasion but I'd rather trim off a few metres of braid main line every now and again when it shows signs of wear instead.