Licenses

[codseeker]

i will be classed as poaching for cod from the shore ,im not paying nixie

[jimmy]

i will be classed as poaching for cod from the shore ,im not paying nixie

and theres a good chance me and dave might be with ye lol

[thewestwind]

I've been a Sea Angler for well over 40 years.
In all that time I've always followed the rules of conservation and common sense. Never took home more fish than I needed, never knowingly killed or damaged undersized fish and never left any rubbish behind etc etc etc
I am not being dictated to by fools who don't have the foggiest idea about how one Shore Angler like myself can impact on Fish stocks whilst they continue to support the mass slaughter and dumping of Millions of Tons of white fish by the Commercials.

I will never buy a licence and be a party to this disgrace. They can go and stick their heads right up beside their own anal fins.

Protest Protest And Keep Protesting

[Topfly]

Ditto

[davem2005]

And me...agree with what you say.

Particularly about the the protest bit, but protest to the right people.

When Sea anglers first started to lobby the government about a better deal for their chosen sport the consultation document went out to all people defra had logged down in their records as people to be consulted regarding fish stocks...the numbers were very few.

Then SOS proposed protection for Tope...the number of intrested parties and consultees had trebled as Defra realised just how many of us there were.

And this lastest document has gone out to even more people.

The list is here for those who want to see how many.

Defra, UK - Consultations - Consultation on a Recreational Sea Angling Strategy for England

Tonight I went to Boulmer beach to meet a couple of people from here who were fishing a match and learn a bit more about match fishing. It was pointed out to me that the consultation list does not include any names north of Whitby ( this may be wrong as I may have missed some as I dont know the name of every club in the NE ).

Is this because we dont care?

All it takes is a letter or email to defra ...or a reply to a previous consultation ...to get on that list. At least that way they know we exist and dont like whats going on.

If every club in the ne sent an email along the lines of

"We are xxxxxx sea angling club who have ?? members.

We would like to be included as stakeholders in any future consultations."

You could go on to include the club members thoughts on licenses etc

Send it to

Nicola Clarke
Defra
Area 2C
Nobel House
17 Smith Square
London, SW1P 3JR

Email: rsa.strategy@defra.gsi.gov.uk

Takes a few minutes...makes you and your members officially exist...and lets them know what you think.

Cheers
Dave

[The Great Wallsendo]

OK

Have done a bit of "laymans" maths

As of 1994, at the last official survey (source SACN), there were 1.1 million Recreational Sea Anglers in the UK

Conservatively round that up to 1.5 million in todays money and then multiply by £11 (which is the figure of estimated cost that seems to getting bandied around)

Total revenue from Sea License per annum - £16.5 million

More than plenty to cover admin' costs and certainly more than enough to provide adequate policing/baliffs

The coastal length of mainland Great Britain is approx 11072 miles.

At a mere cost of £3 million (that's not taking into account what the government would take back in income tax either) you could employ at least 150 of these baliffs (on 20k a year) to patrol just 74 miles of coastline each.

Leaving £13.5 million to cover "admin"

In theory, and assuming the money is pumped straight back into the system, there is no reason why a sea Angling license can't work given the right amount of assurances regarding investement into the infrastructure.

[mark]

OK

At a mere cost of £3 million (that's not taking into account what the government would take back in income tax either) you could employ at least 150 of these baliffs (on 20k a year) to patrol just 74 miles of coastline each.

in theory yes... if said baliffs were to walk the 74 miles on foot every day!

they'd be given a 4x4 no doubt, which would then be equipped with radio etc, uniforms etc etc, fuel costs, and so

then the 150 baliffs would need back office support, premises, admin staff, prosecution costs, training.

not trying to **** on anyone's bonfire here, just looking at it with my business head on

you'll not find many businesses, with 150 'ex works/travelling' staff and probably 30 or 40 office staff, that doesn't have running costs well into the millions

[KeithB]

in theory yes... if said baliffs were to walk the 74 miles on foot every day!

they'd be given a 4x4 no doubt, which would then be equipped with radio etc, uniforms etc etc, fuel costs, and so

then the 150 baliffs would need back office support, premises, admin staff, prosecution costs, training.

not trying to **** on anyone's bonfire here, just looking at it with my business head on

you'll not find many businesses, with 150 'shop floor' staff and probably 30 or 40 office staff, that doesn't have running costs well into the millions

Especially if they sit browsing the net all day when they should be working

[The Great Wallsendo]

like I said...it was laymans maths LOL...passed my lunch hour quite nicely too

According to earlier posts it has been alleged that the cost of the license alone would only just cover admin' costs...

even if you were to include vehicles, training, cost of running, support staff etc £16.5 million could easily cover it

[The Great Wallsendo]

Especially if they sit browsing the net all day when they should be working

...researching local angling forums would be essential in indentifying trends and habits of an areas recreational sea angler population

[mark]

Especially if they sit browsing the net all day when they should be working

s'alright, thats what I get paid to do! (well when people pay there bills that is)

[mark]

like I said...it was laymans maths LOL...passed my lunch hour quite nicely too

According to earlier posts it has been alleged that the cost of the license alone would only just cover admin' costs...

even if you were to include vehicles, training, cost of running, support staff etc £16.5 million could easily cover it

don't forget this is the civil service we are talking about - so anything that you'd cost in the real world will be doubled for the governmental gravy train

company I do bits n bobs for supply PC's to DWP and DEFRA, basic PC... £1200 each If they want the PC's supplying without a cd drive they charge the civil service an extra £150 - thats £150 quid extra for getting less equipment

they are supplied bare with no OS, cost to dump NT/win2000 or xp on em before delivery... another £85 plus the os licence so on average, a run of the mill donkey beige box PC is setting the tax payer back the stiff end of 2 grand

All the approved suppliers for civil service contracts know the score and its the same with everything from paper clips upwards

I've lost civil service contracts because I've not quoted high enough

completely Off Topic, but just an indictment of how, if they do rake in 16.5 million it will be quickly squandered

add in to the mix the amount they will pay for 'marketing' & advertising, brochure/leaflet production, some poncey bunch of marketing analysts to put some 'focus groups' together first, an IT company to write a database system for recording all the licences (that'll be 2 million) then another IT company to write another database system when the first is found 'not fit for purpose' etc etc

and your 16.5 million will disappear very quickly, and you won't get 150 baliffs for your money, you'll be lucky to see 30 nationwide.

[The Great Wallsendo]

they could always 3rd party it...lets get the Tories back in and then they'll privatise it all LOL

[mark]

they could always 3rd party it...lets get the Tories back in and then they'll privatise it all LOL

you think it isn't already???

you be more than a little scared if you knew just how much of the civil service is now handled by private companies

and all done in the last 10 years

[The Great Wallsendo]

makes you wonder what your vote is worth these days...

If you look at it another way - is 1.5 million votes enough to sway a government