Bloody shocking

[northeast1]

Fish farms thats the future, works for the Aussies with Tuna and alike, other Asian nations so why not us, we have the the water space, Tech heads and we have already proved it works with Sam,trout etc.

It will put people out of work but in the long run it will employee people and save our fish.
The only reason we dont do it at the moment is the cost of setting up such ares. If cod became wiped out in our waters we would have farms popping up all over as it would be good buisness.

[mark]

interesting.

begs the question if they have to throw it all back, why did they basket it all up and sort it first??

when the net dropped on deck, most of those fish were still alive, if they'd hoyed them back immediately some of them at least would of survived

[Oblickta]

very recently I seen two baskets of blantently undersize fish bundled quickly into the boot of a car, must've been for the cat!

The politicians always blame Brussels but if we can opt out of the Maastrict treaty and the citizens charter how come we cant opt out of the ridiculous fishing policies?

[Falcone]

Exactly graham.

[Charlton]

spoken to DEFRA a few times about quotas, my answer to stop discards is scrap species quotas and have a total weight quota for each boat, when they reach this weight total,. stop fishing. No discrads, no waste and they should have made a bit of dosh.

[mark]

spoken to DEFRA a few times about quotas, my answer to stop discards is scrap species quotas and have a total weight quota for each boat, when they reach this weight total,. stop fishing. No discrads, no waste and they should have made a bit of dosh.

far too sensible for politicians to grasp alan.

In Ireland they are allowed to trade quotas at the quayside - if you've gone over you're quota, you can trade the excess against the quota of another boat that is under its quota

when all the boats have filled there quotas they tie up for the year - only by being sensible, they never have to tie up, can fish all year round, yet still manage to obey the quotas laws

Now if this were france, the boats would be blockading all the ports in protest to get it sorted, which it invariably would be - in their favour

[The Great Wallsendo]

...Now if this were france, the boats would be blockading all the ports in protest to get it sorted, which it invariably would be - in their favour

Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys

[Falcone]

spoken to DEFRA a few times about quotas, my answer to stop discards is scrap species quotas and have a total weight quota for each boat, when they reach this weight total,. stop fishing. No discrads, no waste and they should have made a bit of dosh.

The dumping will still occur even with that in place alan, boats will discard so called lesser species such as whiting in order to bulk up on more lucrative fish.Its a very tough one to get right, but something cirtainly needs to be done.

[phill_itofish]

The dumping will still occur even with that in place alan, boats will discard so called lesser species such as whiting in order to bulk up on more lucrative fish.Its a very tough one to get right, but something cirtainly needs to be done.

as i'm sure it does with the Irish system,

Not like me to stick up for the govenment but do we not think that if it was as simple as we, myself included, think it is to solve this problem it would have been solved by now! all the posts on here make perfect sence to me but if it was as simple as bringing in a system like the Irish or a total wieght quota then it would have be done by now??

[The Great Wallsendo]

The problem is Phil is that this government (and those that came before) have been weak in protecting our shores and borders

The french and scandinavians have shown scant disregard for fishing our waters and pretty much laugh in the face of quotas...until we can EFFECTIVELY police our own waters then any kind of quota system is redundant and un-enforceable

[phill_itofish]

QUOTE=The Great Wallsendo;114218]The problem is Phil is that this government (and those that came before) have been weak in protecting our shores and borders

The french and scandinavians have shown scant disregard for fishing our waters and pretty much laugh in the face of quotas...until we can EFFECTIVELY police our own waters then any kind of quota system is redundant and un-enforceable[/QUOTE]

so like i said mate "if it was as simple as we, myself included, think it is to solve this problem it would have been solved by now!"
. its not as simple as changing quotas or changing nets, as you quiet rightly say any quota system is redundant if we cant police it!

[Charlton]

falcone, there was a lot more to the idea than what i posted, prices, etc, I dont have time to go into all the ins and outs getting ready to go on me hols. Some members at DEFRA actually agreed with what i said, but as it has been said, government stands in the way, EU directives etc.

[davem2005]

I recieved a load of emails about this this morning and I will sort through them and post links.

The mind boggles on the logic of the fishermen.

ICES are recommending a reduction in quota to help the recovery of the cod.

Because of the low quota last year and this they are showing signs of recovery....so the commercials want an increase in quota of 15% "to reduce discards".

So its a case of the slightest sign of a recovery and its "GO GET EM GUYS"

The total biomass of cod is estimated at 60-80,ooo tonnes...this led to a 20000 tonne quota. They are hoping to increase this to 23,000 tonnes to reduce bycatch. It would be far more logical to work on ways to reduce bycatch than to catch more to stop bycatch. Of course this policy will work because there will be less fish left so less bycatch ...a fine long term strategy... a modern equivalent of doing for cod what Hitler did for the human race.

A report I read recently from CEFAS (they do the surveys for the gov) said that if the biomass was allowed to grow to 280 K tonnes this would allow a sustainable catch of 180 K tonnes per year...why oh why cant these guys wait! But no they want it now!!!

One person did abstain in the talks in Brussels...a NE angler

More details to follow including some suggestions as to what you could do to help because we need to take the fight to brussels.

Cheers
Dave

[Charlie_Thompson]

The french and scandinavians have shown scant disregard for fishing our waters

Is part of the reason for this the fact that a number of uk commercials sold the right to fish here to european boats? Or am I talking rubbish, always a possibility.

[mark]

still don't understand why the guy in the vid decided to wait till his bycatch was definately dead and sorted into baskets before putting it back, when most of it would of stood at least some chance if tossed straight back