braid on spinning reel

[cookie1992]

what lb braid dose people use on there spinning reels

[Nooo Fish]

I've got 20lb ultima on my little grauvell syntax scott mate. It flies off.

[cookie1992]

a was just going to buy some of that cheap stuff do you pull fish in ok on it

[09gmarsh2009]

I use braid on my spinning reel Scott and use it in makki season with a day lite with 4 hooks, FUN reeling in! The daughter uses it when she's with me and casts spot on with it matey!!

[fozally]

I tried some of the cheap 20lb braid from eBay for spinning once and found I was unravelling loops and wind knots more than I was fishing, it was cack. I will use it on light gear from the kayak.

It may be the line or the reel but mono never causes any problems on the reel so I suspect its the line.

[Nooo Fish]

a was just going to buy some of that cheap stuff do you pull fish in ok on it

Aye mate. I lifted plenty full houses of makki up piers and rocks when I was up the mull. I haven't had bother with wind knots either. I could even feel when I hooked a sand eel with it on me yuki.

[CosmicCat]

ive got 50lb braid on my okuma dist 60 and it flys and pulls out of any snag the hook or weight will snap before the braid.

[berwick]

If you havent tried braid before you will be amazed how small diameter it is. I have 50lbs power pro on my fixed spool and it thinner that many 15lbs monos. Takes a bit of getting used to the zero stretch/ extra feel at first but it is excellent line.

Only thing negative I can think of is thin braid doesnt work well over rough ground due to poor abrasive resistance

[cookie1992]

im just after it for spinning for makky in summer maybes a bit float fishing just not sure what lb to get

[Lynnzer]

One of the biggest advantages of braid is that it's a lot thinner per lb breaking strain than mono.
A FS reel won't easily handle thicker diameter mono without it coiling off when the spool's full. Putting this even further, a cast of 100yds with mono will half empty a spool while with braid it'll not result in anywhere near that so allowing better casting from a fuller spool.

So step down in diameter to something akin to say 15lb mono and with braid that's going to give you around a 30lb braid. Depends on which compare it with though so that's not an exact estimation.

Now, 30lb will be sure to be able to handle some extra effort when pulling free of snags and will no doubt recover a lead where it would normally stay attached to kelp or a largish obstruction. That's a definite advantage.

What I've planned on doing is to use 30lb Dyneema on my FS reel where I'm using lighter rigs/leads etc, ie flattie fishing. For this I will use a leader of 40lb and I can use snoods of 25lb Memory and a rotten-bottom of 20lb.

All the way through I think this will give me a finer fishing presentation to the fish plus with a heavier rotten bottom the chance to pull free more often. At least that's my take on it from a logical viewpoint.
I've just got a spare spool today and 300mtrs of 30 lb braid so that's what brought me on to this topic in my search for other things connected with braid.

Further to that lot, I also have some 70lb braid on the way which I'm intending to use on an Akios multiplier. This is no thicker than the mono I'm using now at 20lb. It will allow me to use a standard 60lb leader, 40lb snoods and a 30 lb rotten-bottom.
Another bit of logic applied. 1st thing to break on getting stuck will be the lightest part of the set-up. So stuck on the weight will result in a loss of only the weight. Stuck with a hook will result in losing that hook only and if the leader gets tangled it won't mean I'll lose maybe large quantities of braid.

I have another topic on fishing for flatties where suggestions are made that I should use snoods of a greater breaking strain than my main line. Seems a recipe of how to lose lots of expensive braid, that being the weakest part of the set-up.

Only my opinion of course but you don't want to lose braid before any part of a rig that gets stuck.

Like I said though, I'm only starting on the stuff myself and have no experience of how it handles as yet, at least until tonight.

Now, without starting another topic, could anyone answer me as to how to best attach a leader onto the braid. I don't want it knotted, but prefer something like a Gemini link so I can just clip on a swivel at the top of a leader to connect it all.
Gemini's seem to be causing me some problems right now though. When I finish a session and reel right in the Gemini comes through the rings as intended but I suspect I may have lost a couple ring inserts this way by the link catching them on the way through.

I want to add another important aspect to the FS reel and filling it with any line. Watch the Youtube clip and prevent getting yourself knotted. Well..... at least twisted.

[g-force]

im just after it for spinning for makky in summer maybes a bit float fishing just not sure what lb to get

For floating for mackerel in the summer I use 10lb Stren braid on a little Shimano 2500 size reel & it's great - instant contact with the float even when it's trotted a long way away on the tide. It's also great for close-in scratching for flatties & eels with 1/2 - 1 1/2oz sinkers etc. I've also got 30lb Whiplash on a couple of larger reels which is better for heavier float-fishing (for pollock & the likes over heavier ground) & heavier flattie fishing with sinkers to 3 or 4oz over medium range.

Gary

[berwick]

What I've planned on doing is to use 30lb Dyneema on my FS reel where I'm using lighter rigs/leads etc, ie flattie fishing. For this I will use a leader of 40lb and I can use snoods of 25lb Memory and a rotten-bottom of 20lb.

I think you might be over thinking the flatty bashing mate. The majority of them are going to be within 10-20 yards on the flood, dont know where you are fishing but rotten bottom and leader seems a bit overkill. 3 hook flapper with coloured beads, or baited spoon, something like that and a little weight to lob in jobs a good un

To the original question you wont go far wrong with 20 or 30lbs line in my opinion.

For the leader knot braid to mono keep an eye on (I don't know how to insert a link to another thread on here) Cheap Braid Test by Prof Peach. He is testing them on a tensile machine at his work

[Sea_Troot]

If you havent tried braid before you will be amazed how small diameter it is. I have 50lbs power pro on my fixed spool and it thinner that many 15lbs monos. Takes a bit of getting used to the zero stretch/ extra feel at first but it is excellent line.

Only thing negative I can think of is thin braid doesnt work well over rough ground due to poor abrasive resistance

if using braid over rough ground tie a mono leader on the end i always do this and its fine just a short leader nothing to long and still able to feel everything.

[brix]

Go to your local shop and buy yourself some"helicopter rig sleeves".slide one on your shockleader before you tie your gemini clip on, then slide the sleeve over the clip! Problem solved no more busted inserts.

[Lynnzer]

Thanks for the helicopter thingy. Will get some today.

Onto the matter of braid.
Loaded my Ryobi Ecusima 6000 with the 30lb yesterday and went out last night to Seaham, along the bottom prom to the south.

Reel was on a Sonik SKS, lighter than my usual rods because the sea was flat.
I have to say the result was fantastic. Casting was an absolute dream.
My problem with FS reels using mono is that it tends to spring off the spool in coils when it gets slack in it.
No such problem here. It laid flat, spooled out great and was so sensitive, especially on the SKS that I registered crab tugs as potential bites and even hauled one poor crab in with hook firmly in the mouth.
The sensitivity is spot on.
Being dark I couldn't see how far I was casting but it sure felt further with line spooling out for a fair bit longer before stopping.

Anyway, apart from the crab, suitably crushed and thrown back in to feed the fish, I registered the smallest of bites that my Century Kompressor SS with regular 15 or 20lb mono would probably have missed. Hauled in a diminutive 6" whitie that really shouldn't have been out that late on an evening by itself anyway. Lesson learned for him.

I also connected with a 3/4 lb one later and although this was a typical whitie knock it wasn't easy to mistake it as the effects of wind or waves as the braid more or less started movement with the first sniff of the bait.

Missed another good knock and called it a day an hour into ebb.

I suffered 4 snagged bottoms.
2 were on the Sonik/Ecusima and braid and the others were on my 2nd combination of Kompressor and 20lb mono.

I managed to retrieve both the braid snags, straightening the size 3 Aberdeen on one and just hauling to free the 2nd snag. One things for certain, hauling on 30lb braid is a struggle. Moving back slowly with hand firmly over the spool to prevent the brake from giving, I could have pulled in a bluddy donkey. It felt solid. What I'll need to do with 70lb braid is unimaginable. I'll probably have to attach it to the car and drive slowly away. It takes some real effort.

So my experience from the 1st time out with braid is superb.
If only I'd known from the start of my comeback into the sport in November.

On another angle.
Had to go to the Sonik factory yesterday. I mentioned elsewhere that I had a ring inner lost on my SKS and they told me to drop it in.
1st of all, a big thanks to the staff up there. They're tremendous people.
Special thanks to Ross for his advice and the loan of a top section until mine is mended, for nowt too. Ross also saw a break in my top ring too which I'd missed and that's getting replaced

I had a chance to view the range of rods on their office wall. Very impressive. Wish I could afford them all. I just love the SK4's.

I'm about to renew my fly fishing in March/April and I can say I was really impressed with their latest nano carbon fly rod. It's hardly thicker than the line it will cast, is as light as a feather, is unbreakable (their claim) and in any case comes with a lifetime guarantee as do all of their rods.