october sea angler

[cod basher]

Well said,

The place is nearly a bad a s**t tip as Seaham on occasions, and this place is open to anglers only "big security gates" can't blame the general public for the mess down there! Anglers should be holding there heads in shame!

[davem2005]

I am of the opinion that a license will come and its only a matter of time.

The marine bill proposal was not given time to be discussed in the next session of parliament so it will be at least a year away.

When it arrives I will pay for one...but not before seeing improvements and changes that directly benifit recreational anglers.

Braine is dead right ...the cod limit for the North sea is 20000 tonnes which was reached very quickly...and an estimated 18000 tonnes has been discarded dead since...an absolute mockery of the catch limits and more should be done to stop bycatch by changes to the methods used by commercials.

A couple of things that have been moving along over the last few months.

Organisations like the SACN and NFSA have been calling for the introduction of a Golden mile.This is basically a new 1 mile limit where no trawling can take place. This has to be a great benifit to all anglers. This is a change to the normal policy of reacting to proposed legislation in that we are asking for changes that directly benifit us based on the fact the politicians finally found out how many of us there are. These proposals need support from the grass roots anglers if they are to stand any chance of succes.

Also

At the last SFC meeting a presentation was made by Seafish along the lines of how the commercial sector need to change their image to be seen as the good guys. for many years fisheries policy has been based on their demands and needs. But recently things have started to change with the Bass Management plan and the tope protection proposals getting a fair hearing with defra. The government have finally realised how much anglers are worth to the country...far more than the commercial industry and the commercial industry have realised they have to clean up their act and are no longer going to get their own way. They have had carte blanche in the management of OUR fish stocks for many years and have made a real mess of it.

For more information on the Golden Mile have a look at www.sacn.org.uk

There is also some facts about what happened when a license was introduced in portugal.

Its free to join the sacn and you will get information sent direct by email.

Cheers
Dave.

[Charlie_Thompson]

cheers for the update and info dave

[Derek Wood]

Is this the OCTOBER Sea Angler that came out in AUGUST!!

[mark]

dont get me wrong

i will be paying mine

as for bailiffs
every time ive fished a northumbrian water ive been stopped by a bailiff

its their job

Likewise, and a good point

the thought has just occurred to me, regarding baliffs... the water companies are all private companies and employ there own baliffs, I'd like to bet that as part of the whole licencing process the baliffs are put out to tender and contracts awarded to the likes of the nearby water companies, who being motivated by profits more than anything else might police their patch quite heavily - give them something to do in close season as much as anything else

[cod basher]

Let's just hope the bailliffs don't take a "gung ho" style attitude and chase every kid with a bamboo net from the shore's and estuaries.

[northeast1]

I also hope if they come along the piers in summer they have a riot gear and hard hats Some of the people will be so lashed that a fine would not go down well.

To be fair, if paying a few quid stopped that kind of fisherman then bring it on.

[moocher]

rod licence

so some of you are happy to buy a licence. are you happy with bag limits. paying for bait and not getting it for yourself.being told where you can and can;t fish .. if yes then buy one . me i will not put a nail in the coffin of the sport i love.............................

[davem2005]

Likewise, and a good point

the thought has just occurred to me, regarding baliffs... the water companies are all private companies and employ there own baliffs, I'd like to bet that as part of the whole licencing process the baliffs are put out to tender and contracts awarded to the likes of the nearby water companies, who being motivated by profits more than anything else might police their patch quite heavily - give them something to do in close season as much as anything else

Mark,
In the replies made by various organisations both the Enviromental Agency and the SFC's offered to manage and police the license, subject to funding being made available to set it up.

My bet would be for it to be given to the EA as they have the system in place to sell the coarse license.

A report by the NESFC came up with an annual extra cost to operate the scheme of £150,000 which does not include the cost of an extra patrol boat.

The money raised by the license is supposed to be ringfenced and put back into the fisheries but personally I cant see there been much left after running costs.

Cheers
Dave

[captain buba]

blah blah blah

as usual everyone has an opinion and start blaming trawlers and government. maybe we should look at the way the rivers and coast were fished in the past and present by us anglers. as ive heard so many times "you needed 25 flouders to win matches and 30 pound of codling, tales of coastline and river banks littered with dead fish also the taking of size fish espeacally codling as only a few large cod can sporn i think its about 8 pound plus, so when we take big fish home we actually take alot more than one. with the introdution of measure and release matches things are changing, read the match results for this year some great fish already caught aound the northeast. as for roker pier theres no bins on there(fact) im not saying it would solve the issue but its like the liscense debate everyone says "they still dump rubbish, they will burn the bins blah blah blah....but im sure it woud not cost much to try, as for the comment on alan yates making a fortune from the liscence "how would he and i dont think he is that desperate" its comments like that, that really make the fishing community suffer because we need people like him to give his view as he probaly knows more about dwindling numbers of fish than most people. so when it comes to talking sense to peope in government about the situation and what anglers want and need i dont think they'll be knocking on our door including mine,im sure they'll take a man whos fish career and expertiseare second to none also one of the very few fishing journalists so bear it in mind about the people who are in our corner, i dont think alan yates would back something he did not think would help the average angler.

and why does everyone on this site keep apoligising at the end of posts i thought this is what forums are for.... cheers

[willywetegg]

Some good points there mate, I have no doubt that we have caused problems ourselves in the past but they don't even scratch what a trawler can do in one sweep of the sea. That said it doesn't make right some of the things that have (and still do) gone on on our shoreline and river banks.

As far as bins go, have a drive up to the car park at Blyth. The one at the entrance to the docks where the people park that fish the pier or the north end of the beach. I bet you will find more fishing rubbish in the car park than you will in the bin that everyone has to walk past to get to their car "They still do dump rubbish". One thing in your favour there though, they have never set it on fire yet lol.

No apology either lol

Jim.

[codnot]

hi

will we get a refund if we don't catch???? if u drive u r hammered if u fish u r hammered the new government motto HAND IT OVER THE USA NEEDS YOUR CASH i will not pay we r taxed more than enough on tackle the way it is now
to go fishing for a couple of hours
5 sinkers x £1.95
bait £8.00
tackle misalliance (hooks.line.ect) £15.00
that's just me not a kick of £30.00 i have seen lads pay well more than that the shops don't keep all of the cash u spend the government get most of it so the little man pays out agane. it makes u stop & think when a Young lad go's in to a tackle shop & spends over £150.00 just to start sea fishing & that is just for the basics it's all just government greed the fat cats get fatter the little man is swept away. it dose not mater how thy tart it up

[davem2005]

Captain Buba,
I have to agree with jim. The fish taken by anglers are a small proportion compared to the quota's allowed in the north sea and in this year the discards are also a horrendous figure. the figure quoted is 8000 tonnes...probably more than the total catch in matches for the last ten years. A large roll on roll off skip holds 40 tons....is 30 ft long 8 foot wide and 8 foot deep. So to hold the cod discarded dead by commercials this year you would need 200 skips. This equates to an area the size of the pitch at St James's (45,000 sq feet) plus the area around it ...filled to a depth of 8' with dead and useless cod...puts it into perspective.

Angling is recognised as been sustainable method of catching fish with little impact on the enviroment...its also only now been recognised as a valuable contribution to the uk economy as well.

I can not understand how people think anglers are going to make any money from a licence scheme...the only reason I support it is that it will give us a say in the way our fisheries are managed which should give us all better fishing in the long run.

Cheers
dave.

andcertainly noapologies for my veiws and opinions.

[willywetegg]

will we get a refund if we don't catch????

If you hold a freshwater licence and fish any freshwater fishery and don't catch then you won't get a refund from them either codnot. A hell of a lot of people still do it every day of the season.

to go fishing for a couple of hours
5 sinkers x £1.95
bait £8.00
tackle misalliance (hooks.line.ect) £15.00

I make or get my sinkers a lot cheaper than that but it still costs me a lot more than that for a nights fishing. I live in Consett and never turn out just for a couple of hours, I wish I could. By the time I pick my bait up on the morning and then turn out for my nights fishing it costs me loads just for fuel.

As far as saying I would not pay for a licence, I couldn't say that as then I might as well just give away all of my gear as I would never get back anything near what it is worth.

Hopefully as Dave says, maybe one day it might just give us a say in what goes on in our sport. The more we keep talking to our MPs the more chance we have in getting what we want. I know it is hard work, I have had Emails unanswered , they can't do that??? yes they bloody can. Keep at it, eventually we may get a result.

What is better?? the last two years results?? I don't think so. Every few years there is a good year. I have a feeling, judging by our shore catch reports so far this year, that this year is going to be pretty good. I know that depends on the weather and quite a few other things too. Lets just hope it is better.

Unfortunately I am going to miss most of it. I will be in hospital some time in the next week or so for a back op. I have been told that it might help me but it might not. I am making my aim, to get back out in January, hopefully there might still be a few fish still knocking about then, if not I will still be there trying my best to catch a new PB.

Jim.

[captain buba]

esay answer to all the issues is to buy a licence therfore cos we cant do anything about trawlers as the fishing comitte of great britian is made up of commercial fishermen only so the only way to get a say is a licence, im still not sure myself cos i would preffer them to tell us what we will get for our money. that said regarding blyth pier i was talking about roker pier with all respect in my last post i siad that every one would come up with similar answers. because now blyth can move on with there problems but we cant cos theres no bins at all. i just wish it was a little clearer on whole licence issue instead of white paper this white paper that ,maybe sea angler should do an article on the facts of the licence im sure they can get answers from the men who know?