cruel thing to do

[Red5]

Can't see how it's pompous to believe that causing suffering to a creature is wrong. I along with probably all that have commented either release our fish virtually unharmed (that's why Carp are caught umpteen times) or are swiftly dispatched.
Given the choice of being put to death you can have the choice of firing squad OR having all your hair (including y' nether regions) ripped out, your insides pulled out, dipped up to your neck in boiling oil and then gnawed at.


What would you choose?

I know what I'd have.

[The Great Wallsendo]

It's an argument that goes round in circles (and has been argued on this forum several times already)...what we do as Anglers is inherently cruel anyway, so why do it?

There are pictures of Carps mouths that have been hooked umpteen times - they look like badly wrapped Kebabs...how do we know it doesn't hurt them?

It IS pompous to impose our "civilised" western virtues on others...

The world is not pink anymore

[Mogthemackem]

It was a while back but is this the same country that used them live dogs as bait for catching sharks? It's bad enough eating fish from the bone but doing it when still alive is just sick. No expression on their faces either as if it's just normal???

[Red5]

Wallsendo.....There is a saying that you can tell how civilised a country is by the way it treats its animals.....What those people are doing in that clip is completely uneccessary. Does it taste any better coz it's still gasping for air while it's insides have been removed, it's scales taken off and then had it's body deep fried. I'll bet you it doesn't!

If your neighbour was kicking the life out of his dog next door, would you stand back and say....'well I'm not gonna interfere, coz it would be pompous of me to do so if my neighbour believes that's acceptable.

Fishing may have some degree of cruelty in it, but WE as responsible anglers do our very best to minimise that..

[The Great Wallsendo]

Pompous defined: displaying exaggerated seriousness or stateliness

It would be interesting to find out which social demographic coined that phrase

I am not condoning it, nor do I encourage unneccessary cruelty to animals. My comment was aimed towards the general tone, which smacked of Olde Worlde Imperialism

[red rock]

now thats fresh just a question here??? does anybody feel sorry for the lugworm or ragworm or even the crab they stick a bloody great hook in when its still alive.that vid might be a bit over the top but its their culture and its what they have done for thousands of years.

[Nelson]

You have a point sir!

*Ahem* Factory Farming

I haven't looked at the thing yet as I'm having a bit of a whitey.

Yeah we eat oysters alive but they die instantly, this fish was scaled and was definately alive throughout the whole procedure. To me this is wrong, anyone would be locked up if this sort of cruelty was inflicted on a DOG.

[Nelson]

now thats fresh just a question here??? does anybody feel sorry for the lugworm or ragworm or even the crab they stick a bloody great hook in when its still alive.that vid might be a bit over the top but its their culture and its what they have done for thousands of years.

Even though the post i have just written may sound totally contradictive I can put a worm on a hook without any feelings and since reading this post do feel sorry for the worms but I must say the worms that we use (or most of us use) have been sitting without food or moisture in a tub so they cant be in a fully conscious state when they come to the hook.

[CHOPPER]

The central nervous system of a worm or indeed any invertebrate is far too simple for something to be interpreted as pain, they may feel something is changing, but it certainly wouldn't be interpreted as pain! So i don't think you need to loose any sleep over it!!

[mark]

but no-one has a problem with buying dutch bacon.. from a pig that has been intensively reared in a box in which it can neither turn round nor lie down, has never seen daylight and is fed an enriched gruel of hormones and fattening agents... and with christmas coming up you really wouldn't want to see what bernard matthews does to his turkeys


an oyster will be alive until its been chewed to death or if swallowed whole till the stomach acids start to dissolve it

I guess as 'uman beans its down to whatever one person feels comfortable with, or their conscience can handle.

my conscience tells me not to attempt to catch anything I'm not prepared to eat (top tip: never, ever, under any circumstances try to eat sand eels or launce - not pleasant)

nearest I've come to this though is mackeral on the boat, knock a fillet off one side, thin slice of the fillet, little dab of english mustard (every bit as good as wasabi) bit of sweet soy sauce and you've got sashimi that the japanese would pay big money for.

get the whole process completed quick enough and the slivers of fish will still be twitching as you at them

[CHOPPER]

Love Sashimi (tuna definitely my favourite) and yeah i really do not want to know what Bernard Matthews does with his turkeys, the rumours about mr Kipling were bad enough!!!