letter from david miliband

[Charlie_Thompson]

Maybe if we'd ALL stood side by side with the miners?

[treeboa]

like the uprated four wheel drive road fund, vehicle tracking , banning smoking in public places its going to happen, make no bones about it, the choice is drive your head in the sand and imagine it wont happen or get behind a common banner and shaft them back, the only way you are going to win is to be a real threat to any govenment party, how many anglers are there ??, you need someone to make it known that if they want to f*** us about then they are going to get the same in return, however if as normally happens in blighty its a dog with no teeth then we are all going to get laughed at, any party that wants to be voted in will promise you a night in bed with the the virgin mary if it would get your vote, once in you know that all those promises will be cast aside, look at labours track record alone on failed promises and hidden taxes, left to thier own devices we will get all these promised ` anglers perks` when there are no more fish to be plundered, however we will be penalised if we cast into the sea without that magic piece of paper, once its in place then i can see a big push to prosecute as many unpaid anglers as they can to show resolve, ok after the intial 6 months it may all die down a bit but by then lots of people have fines to pay, they dont have to come to some godforsaken rockmark, a wheel clamp will do, theres plenty of private clamping companies out there, we are talking a govenment body, like the police, before they pull you over they know if your cars taxed -insured and who should be driving it, computers wonderfull things, it would not take much to see if the car parked up at a fishing mark has the owner with a licience, a comp , hello theres mister fisheries person, you want to book in, no licience, sorry mate, then you get the private clubs , like seahams pier lads, they pull the memberships and check that the club has made sure , and possibly the club gets a hit for having unlicienced members, bit like a pub manager getting it for underage drinkers, if this is a stealth tax as many fear then the govenment will go to any lengths to get it, personally i have signed to say stuff your licience, however that now means that they know who i am and where i live

[=>Tony<=]

to be honest, how do they think they are going to police this. And even if they try, will that not cost more than the money they will make from the licences?
And yet again!!!!!! the only people that will lose out will be the 'honest man'

[Red5]

Jamie there have been a few prosecutions AND RIGHTLY so of people taking undersize lobtsers from Boulmer over the past few months. Don't know who's shoppped them but I saw some lad bout two years back who'd been down and had 6 or so in a bucket and not one of them was size. Doesn't take an idiot long to realise where these people are going to head for lobsters and crabs. Boulmer has become awash with people coming up in the summer to take advantage of the shellfish there, you can see them all over the rocks or wading around the Marmouth with buckets, hands in the water up to their shoulders looking under rocks and weed, often they cover them with a few inches of willicks to try and hide them. But some one has obviously been watching coz as I've said there have been two prosecutions in the local paper over the past few months of lads from Sunderland/Newcastle
Obviously as I've mentioned in previous posts about the state of the worm digging there in the winter numerous cars I've seen down there are uninsured and are digging both tides over the day 5-6 days a week. So really if any fisheries officer with a decent knowledge of where and when people may be can target those doing anything illegal and contact the police.
If it sorts the wheat from the chaff and something is done to protect fish stocks and prevent overfishing, prevent over collection of bait species then I've no problem paying for a licence.

[marksworld]

well i have kept quiet long enough, my own personal opinion is that this like so many other white papers this one will never materialize. it just could not be done, can you imagine the man power and resourses used to police the whole of coastline and can you emagine council employees walking up and down our coast in the middle of the night or the winter, christ you cant even get them to work past 12 noon on a friday. plus if we as anglers ALL!!!! stick together and say sod it, what can they do??????. but like i said i cant see it working.


cheers
mark

[HARRA]

Well Said Mark Im With U On This But I Am Trying To Do Something About It Just Incase Sumit Does Materialize.


Paul....

[marksworld]

paul i get so disheartned by the way this country is at the moment. this goverment pleases itself never even thinking or asking the general public about anything. this applies from the top lot down to local councils.
like i said if us anglers stuck together and just said no if a licence was to come in we might just stand a chance???


oh and i have sent my signature to the petition




cheers
mark

[Glenn Kilpatrick]

well i have kept quiet long enough, my own personal opinion is that this like so many other white papers this one will never materialize. it just could not be done, can you imagine the man power and resourses used to police the whole of coastline and can you emagine council employees walking up and down our coast in the middle of the night or the winter, christ you cant even get them to work past 12 noon on a friday. plus if we as anglers ALL!!!! stick together and say sod it, what can they do??????. but like i said i cant see it working.


cheers
mark

When you consider that countries within Europe already have an angling licence and some countries in the world with bigger coastlines already operate a successful sea angling licence the Government have existing models to copy.

[moocher]

i have read every post on this debate. the same thing,s are being said now as 4 years ago at the start of the debate about hunting with dogs. ie it will not work etc..there are people out there that will shop you ie anti blood sport git.s with nothing better to do.......

[marksworld]

When you consider that countries within Europe already have an angling licence and some countries in the world with bigger coastlines already operate a successful sea angling licence the Government have existing models to copy.

point taken but this is england cock up country



cheers
mark

[Glenn Kilpatrick]

I don't know how your fishing clubs work a bit further North. I would be interested to learn from Sless more about their club (cleaden did you say it was called ?). The Whitby fishing club fishes twice a week with the matches based on a heaviest bag of fish format. We weigh in at the same time same place twice a week for 6 months. All it would take is a 1 off visit from a licence inspector to check the club members at the weigh in and he could ensure evryone had a licence and deal with those who didnt.

It also concerns me that if bag limits were to be introduced they could also be checked at the weigh in. If any of this comes into fruition Whitby fishing club may not be able to continue as it always has done. For me that would be a very sad day especially after fish stocks have been mismanaged so badly for so long and all this could have been avoided with some tough decisions a few years back.

[sless]

yes we fish for 6 months of the year
as you say weighing in the same time same place every week

[PAUL.S.HARRISON.SNR]

letter to miliband from harra

this attachment is the letter paul/harra sent out to mp's of all partys

[treeboa]

like the uprated four wheel drive road fund, vehicle tracking , banning smoking in public places its going to happen, make no bones about it, the choice is drive your head in the sand and imagine it wont happen or get behind a common banner and shaft them back, the only way you are going to win is to be a real threat to any govenment party, how many anglers are there ??, you need someone to make it known that if they want to f*** us about then they are going to get the same in return, however if as normally happens in blighty its a dog with no teeth then we are all going to get laughed at, any party that wants to be voted in will promise you a night in bed with the the virgin mary if it would get your vote, once in you know that all those promises will be cast aside, look at labours track record alone on failed promises and hidden taxes, left to thier own devices we will get all these promised ` anglers perks` when there are no more fish to be plundered, however we will be penalised if we cast into the sea without that magic piece of paper, once its in place then i can see a big push to prosecute as many unpaid anglers as they can to show resolve, ok after the intial 6 months it may all die down a bit but by then lots of people have fines to pay, they dont have to come to some godforsaken rockmark, a wheel clamp will do, theres plenty of private clamping companies out there, we are talking a govenment body, like the police, before they pull you over they know if your cars taxed -insured and who should be driving it, computers wonderfull things, it would not take much to see if the car parked up at a fishing mark has the owner with a licience, a comp , hello theres mister fisheries person, you want to book in, no licience, sorry mate, then you get the private clubs , like seahams pier lads, they pull the memberships and check that the club has made sure , and possibly the club gets a hit for having unlicienced members, bit like a pub manager getting it for underage drinkers, if this is a stealth tax as many fear then the govenment will go to any lengths to get it, personally i have signed to say stuff your licience, however that now means that they know who i am and where i live

[Topfly]

Hi treeboa, i wonder what will happen if the scottish parliament throw the white paper on rsa strategy out,and the english are shortsighted enough to push it through. as you probably know you dont need a licence to freshwater fish over the border,(apart from game fish ).do you think they could handle more tourists,