boundaries N v S

[YoursTruly]

Jim, i was trying to point out that if Roker pier was closed and considered out of bounds then surely South Shields pier also being closed must be out of bounds purely for reasons of public liability.
If the organisers are seen to allow competitors to go round closed gates and something happened (accident or other) then the Organisers would be deemed responsible.

The bit about the Durham beaches and also the rivers wear and tyne was mentioned purely because some had wanted them in bounds and as i read the posting it would have influenced wether or not they fished.

It was not because i thought some of the north did not know where to fish, even though by their own admission some dont.

I know there is a bit of banter going on and i am sure if anyone of the north team were stuck for somewhere to fish then the south side would help them out.

[T.C.]

"If the organisers are seen to allow competitors to go round closed gates and something happened (accident or other) then the Organisers would be deemed responsible."

Hmmmmm.......does that not also apply to the Shields Open, Terry?

What about the "it is dangerous to cross the barrier" notices placed all along the clifftops???........I've seen you (and countless others) fishing from the cliffs beyond the barriers in the past.

[willywetegg]

So that will mean that all of the cliff tops will have to be out of bounds too due to the signs that are posted along that area too then?????????

South Shields pier as you know is not under the same ownership or conditions as Roker pier, and I would still like to know why you posted what you did as that explaination does not even try to cut it and you know it.

Jim.

[YoursTruly]

Jim, the explanation i have given is my answer and if you think i had any other reason for mentioning it then i do not know what you want me to say.


There is a notice at the start of the pier and if i am not mistaken at the first gate ( which TC you must be aware of) telling you it is prohibited to go round the gates.

As for the cliff tops ( TC once again you have seen them) it quite clearly informs you it is Dangerous to cross the barrier.

Now the difference between the two is quite clear, The pier notice is actually telling you and cliff notices are advising you.

In a court of law there is a very big difference.

[willywetegg]

There is a notice at the start of the pier and if i am not mistaken at the first gate ( which TC you must be aware of) telling you it is prohibited to go round the gates.

Are you 100% sure about that Terry.

Jim.

[gazzawill]

iff a pier is closed due to weather or other circumstances it should be common scence not to go on or fish it
i like the idea of our beaches being included also (south side im from seaham) and iff foss is right about the boundries
i remember last year this comp was going to be called off from the sea state but was mentiond to fish the tyne esturie so why not ours(the wear)
just my oppinion

[YoursTruly]

TC, yes it does apply to the S/S Open and thats why every year the Port of Tyne Authority decide not to open the pier we have loads of hassle from anglers when we tell them they cannot go round the gates as our public liability insurance would be null and void.

The cliff tops as i mentioned above is purely adivising you of the dangers, and it is down to your own choice.

[T.C.]

We've had this subject come up previously, Terry - access to the pier when the gate's closed.
I actually went down (purposely) to have a look at the notices on the gate.......there is NOTHING saying it is "illegal", "tresspassing" or even "dangerous" to go beyoned the gate when it's closed.......there isn't even anything saying "at own risk". All in all, there's nothing saying NOT to go beyoned the gate (other than the gate being closed, that is).

However....a sign may have been erected since last year ?????

If not.....you're dead right - there IS difference - the signs on the clifftop - not to mention the presence of the barrier rail are there to warn people off from going beyond the barrier.

[YoursTruly]

There is a notice at the start of the pier and if i am not mistaken at the first gate ( which TC you must be aware of) telling you it is prohibited to go round the gates.

Are you 100% sure about that Terry.

Jim.

Jim, i will make a point of going to the pier tommorrow and take another look just to make sure and i will post my findings.


If it was not an offence to round the gates when closed then why do the police on occasions go to the end at night and chase anglers off.

[T.C.]

"The cliff tops as i mentioned above is purely adivising you of the dangers, and it is down to your own choice."

Maybe so, Terry - but I know the National Trust aren't too happy about people going beyoned the barrier for a fishing comp.

[willywetegg]

Unfortunately I have to be up very early this morning as I would have loved to have taken this conversation a stage further.

I promise i will be down to read the signs on South Shields pier before this weekend and will report my findings on this thread,

Jim.

[YoursTruly]

TC, you dead right they do not like it and if it were illegal then i am sure they would have found some loophole to stop fishing altogether.

As i have already stated, the police do make checks on the pier when the gates are closed and usually give any angler caught a caution, if it was not an offence then the anglers would not be cautuioned.

Now i would be very surprised if you had not heard of that .

[T.C.]

If I remember rightly (and I'm not saying that I do, mind...lol)....I'm sure it was when it was last mentioned on here about anglers being "cautioned" by the police for being beyoned the gate when it was locked. That is what prompted me to go and have a look to see just what notices were actually on the gate....and like I said....there was nothing to say you'd be in breach of anything , either in Law or Bye-Law. Bt that was THEN......as I said before, something to that effect may have been erected since last year.

[gazzawill]

im a member of seaham sea angling club and our north peir is gated off the members get a key each year on renewal of subs
but its the prperty of the dock company i suppose its up to them to police the area .part of the membership is iff asked produce your member ship pass and key and if the gates are chaind shut its for your own safty / any member found fishing beyond these gates while chaind will loose membership and be declined member ship in the future

[gazzawill]

iff the boundries for this comp say went to horden whats stoping me from fishing my local peir as im a member ?????? another view into it