Angling Clubs

[sless]

christ
dave nugent cant even get the poachers now
never mind when it comes law

[Glenn Kilpatrick]

calm down everbody.just think if they bring a bag limit on to every angling club how they going to monitor it,or how do they propose to limit bait digging?the cost of them would be astrinomical. some tosser is sitting in his nice warm office with **** all else to do.once the figures of the cost of all this ****e comes out it'll soon be forgotten about.
merry xmas to you all

That's common sense mate but this lot don't do common sense. Angling clubs would be really easy to police. You work out where the weigh in's are and go along. Same with open matches.

This whole business will ruin fishing as we know it in the north east.

You ask how will they stop bait digging and peeler collecting. You guys further up north are in a better position to answer that than me. Arent some of the worm beds in northumberland already no go areas ? How do they police these places.

The fact is we are heading straight towards bag limits, licences and bait digging restrictions and god knows what else.

Anglers need to be aware of this - before its too late, if it isn't already.

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The Recreational Sea Anglers Strategy is the document where all this is taking place and in notes relating to this strategy it is said that the committee hope to endorse this strategy in March 2007 (that's 3 months away).

These are some of the points made (to understand them in context you will have to read the proposed strategy):

"with relatively high angling participation levels, and a possibility that this could increase in future, anglers have the potential to have a large impact on stocks."

"Enforcement bodies should be actively involved in the development of proposals to ensure that any control measures can be enforced effectively in conjunction with existing responsibilities."

" 5.3 A combined mechanism that would raise money for the benefit of sea anglers, provide an effective communication tool, gather information to better understand anglers’ needs and enable effective monitoring and enforcement would underpin other elements of the RSA Strategy. Although there may be other tools to achieve these aims, a sea angling licence (operating in a similar way to the freshwater angling licence) could meet these needs. The costs and benefits should be transparent, justifiable and clearly understood. The associated charge would need to reflect the costs of administering and enforcing the scheme, with additional revenue returned to the angling sector through a range of projects and programmes that would enhance the angling experience. "

" 5.4 Other management tools to monitor and control the potential impact anglers have on stocks should be considered. These tools should be flexible, enable action to be taken quickly if necessary to protect vulnerable stocks as well as look to the longer term, and be driven by clear scientific evidence. The conservation benefits of taking any action would need to be proportionate to the potential impact anglers have on stocks and relative to the controls enforced in the commercial sector. Action should be taken at the most appropriate level for each species, but should be primarily driven by Sea Fisheries Committees so that measures can be designed to take account upon particular local circumstances. One possible management tool is a ‘bag limit’ where, on a case-by-case basis, the total number of fish of the identified species allowed to be taken from the fishery over a specified time period would be limited. Defra should also consider extending their existing powers to more comprehensively include anglers and enable action to be taken quickly when appropriate and proportionate. "

"5.6 SFCs already have powers that would enable the introduction of some local control measures, such as bag limits, on much shorter time scales. Pilot schemes should be considered by SFCs, working with local anglers to introduce, test and monitor the impact of the measures. This would build evidence to inform decisions about refining and using such measures on a wider basis. "

" 7.2 Support system elements, (such as access to fishing sites, development of angling structures and facilities) make it easier for anglers to carry out the key activity (fishing) itself. This is especially critical when considering how to broaden and increase participation in the sport itself, reducing the additional effort potentially new or less able bodied anglers would need to expend to go sea angling. There would also be benefits for other users sharing and accessing the same facilities, whilst structural developments might provide safe-havens or habitat replacements for juvenile and adult fish. Key elements would include:

• Protection and improvement of shore access and parking
• Provision of more small boat launching facilities
• Access to existing and new shore structures
• Creation of artificial inshore and off-shore reefs.
• Clear displays of relevant rules (MLS etc), codes of conduct and other useful data at every popular shore venue, boat launch site and aboard charter boats
• Provision of amenities for anglers at popular venues, such as bins and toilets
• A planning system that would protect access and use for RSA on existing structures and new developments, particularly for wheelchair users, young and elderly fishers. - " "-Development of these secondary elements would require funding. The introduction of a chargeable angling licence would be a way to raise funds"




There is so much more going on that I could put up info all day long. Anyone wanting to read about this will find these pages useful:

http://www.yalasa.co.uk/recreational-sea-angling-stratagy-draft1-dec-2006.php

http://www.yalasa.co.uk/articles.php

[Glenn Kilpatrick]

As I said at the start of this topic. I have it on good authority that the head of NFSA has told a DEFRA official that they have consulted their membership and they are happy with bag limits and licences. This means DEFRA will be thinking anglers are happy with this rsa Strategy.

If you are happy that great - you have nothing to worry about.

If your against licences, bag limits etc and like me think they would ruin angling in the north east we need to do something and fast.

Myself and Paul Kilpatrick are working on getting the backing of some national tackle companies (they stand to loose revenue if less people go angling). When our fishing club reconvenes in January will will be discussing cancelling membership of NFSA and letting them know why. We would appreciate a list of clubs who are afiliated to NFSA and who haven't been consulted on this matter.
We aim to present our info to DEFRA as soon as we have it.

Even if the nfsa has consulted every member (which I doubt) and they are all in agreement, we think that number is less than 5000 and far from representative of the wider angling community.

[sless]

Angling clubs would be really easy to police. You work out where the weigh in's are and go along.


i cant see these people coming out at 11.00pm to watch a weigh in

[codonly]

change the venue of the weigh in every week.problem solved

[nigels]

Angling clubs would be really easy to police. You work out where the weigh in's are and go along.


i cant see these people coming out at 11.00pm to watch a weigh in

They come round the trout fisherys on a bank holiday. Don't think they won't come out a t 11.00pm they make massive amounts of money through fines.
During 2004 - 2005, we prosecuted over 4000 anglers for fishing without a licence. This is about 4% of all 163,000 anglers that our officers spot checked. The total fines (and costs) came to about £500,000
Failure to provide a valid Environment Agency rod licence could result in prosecution (maximum fine £2,500)

There is big money for the Government in fishing .

The following figures are the totalled rod licence sales and value in England and Wales for the years 1995/96 to 2005/06:


Year Sales Value


1995/96 1,000,646 £11,171,448
1996/97 1,171,914 £12,252,989
1997/98 1,196,417 £13,386,885
1998/99 1,143,883 £12,955,984
1999/00 1,136,228 £14,320,773
2000/01 1,085,446 £14,419,060
2001/02 1,143,430 £14,868,720
2002/03 1,180,061 £16,009,823
2003/04 1,261,972 £18,004,606
2004/05 1,218,218 £18,593,000
2005/06 1,296,865 £20,292,629

More people fish the sea, its a golden cow for the goverment one they have had there eye on for years.

[Glenn Kilpatrick]

Ok lads,

Change the venues of the weigh in. Its a good idea. But do you really want to be looking over your shoulders every week ?

The first thing we should do is point out to DEFRA that we are actually against these proposals because they have nothing at all to do with conservation. DEFRA need to know that although NFSA calls itself the governing body of sea angling they don't represent us on this. I am 100% certain there is a large body of anglers who don't want any 1 item listed in that angling strategy. We need to stand together and get this message across.

Then if they impose this on us. We can stand up and say at least we tried.

Then we have our matches in secret.

[sless]

as ive said previously

it just a jobs for the boys

always has and always will
im sure a lot of people will agree with me

[YoursTruly]

I think you all know my personal views on the Fed, they do absolutely nothing for the northeast, they have shown there true colours at the last meeting in gateshead.
They made promises, which they did not keep.
I have posted in shore angling issues and had very limited reply from Doc ( another waste of tiem in my oppinion)
As far as licenses go, then they can whistle, i buy my rod license for freshwater and i am not buying one for the sea.

[Glenn Kilpatrick]

Obviously my knowledge is second hand as I haven't been at any of these meetings. However I am assured that Doc is the only angling rep who stood up and opposed all of this.

A couple of anglers I know from the South turned up unannounced at the meeting. I heard they were made less than welcome. Guess who by ?

This page here also makes interesting reading :

http://www.anglersnet.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=70760&st=20#entry707845

Its being claimed that all nfsa members have been consulted.


It really annoys me that the nfsa talk at these meetings under the guise of the representative body of UK anglers. Like you say they do naff all for NE sea fishing. But we need to be very careful because DEFRA are taking them very seriously. Its about time DEFRA were told these people do not represent us and what these proposals will do for fishing in the NE. Bag limits potentially spell the end for our fishing clubs and for the charter fleets at Hartlepool and Whitby.

[Topfly]

This has been drafted up it seems by 3 girls & 3 boys in hull university, i dont think we have much to worry about. its full of holes.

[peter.m]

Not that many clubs or now individuals that I know are affiliated to NFSA. New Hartley SAC and Northumbria Police SAC like most I know affiliate to Northern Federation of Sea Angling Societies. Look after clubs on a local basis as well as representing angling on sea fishing matters. All members are insured as well.

[Glenn Kilpatrick]

Thanks Peter. That's worth knowing. Do you have the contact details for the northern federation ? Maybe they can help.

[Charlton]

Glen Mick Edwrads is the secretary, you can get in touch with him at address below.

Michael Edwards
E-mail Address(es):
MICKE@mechsac.fsnet.co.uk

[Glenn Kilpatrick]

Ok sorry about posting an outside link. I have removed it. No offence meant.