kielder today (help plz )

[Stampsy525]

hi,

Me and my mate went to kielder today fly fishing, first time we have been there. his first time fly fisihng and my second(went once in canada). We were both using floating lines and both blanked. fished at the belling inlet and seen a couple of rises and fished plachettes but had noting. we used, dawsons olive, daddy longlegs, black fritz blobs, black spider and kate maclaren. the water seemed very deep. what would you sugest for fishing kielder???

just new to fly fishing so probably fishing wrong flies with wrong line. any help welcome

Thnks mark

[Kev1n]

I’d start by asking other anglers and staff for suggestions about where to start and what to use. The rising fish you saw are a good indicator that there are obviously some around.
Once you have an idea of where the fish are then you need to get the depth right; as you fished with a floating line, try adding a gold head fly to sink it a little if they don’t take a dry fly off the top.
Finally, cast and leave the line. Don’t continually keep thrashing the water with the fly line in an attempt to add an extra yard or two to the cast. Using a slow retrieve will give your fly more time in the water and can help with getting the depth right.

[bigtel]

quite a daunting place to start your fly fishing mate nothing wrong with line or flies next time chose a smaller venue give yourself a bit more chance maybe try derwent much easier place to fish.

terry

[jimmy]

quite a daunting place to start your fly fishing mate nothing wrong with line or flies next time chose a smaller venue give yourself a bit more chance maybe try derwent much easier place to fish.

terry

i would agree with bigtel, spot on, be best for you to fish a small still water first

[Stampsy525]

thanks for the advice lads, we were going to go to derwent but decided on a boat at kielder.

ive been looking on Chatton trout fishery website, will this be any good for us to try to get a bit experience. once again thanks for the help.

[jimmy]

Chatton is a decent fishery mate, what area sre you from?

a little tip for ya, when you get to your chosen fishery, walk around and watch the water for rises, see what people are using ( people that are catching fish) are they stripping lures, dries, etc etc, its all a learning curve really. But you cant beat a bit of advice from someone fishing there already, just ask

[Stampsy525]

hi mate im from South Shields, can u recommend any good books to get a bit advice/tips from. i know the different line types and bits like that, but what i dont really inderstand is like nymphs,lures. hoppers. n what type of fly line to use these with. i know i sound thick but id rather ask for help then let myself look stupid when turning up at a venue n using the wrong line with the wrong flie. once again thanks

[oldessox]

You don't sound thick , you are asking the right questions , it's quite a difficult art to learn. A floating line is probably the best one to start with and like the lads say , use a weighted fly on the point to get the flies sunk a bit when needed. It's all about trying things out and seeing how they work , a slow retrieve with a heavy point fly can have you catching the weeds on the bottom if the water is too shallow for the setup and a fast retieve with a light lure can have you zipping the fly over the surface when the fish are on the bottom
I've never been to Chatton , but the lads I fish with when I'm fly fishing tell me it's a good water for a beginner and the owners will put you on fish and tell you how to catch them, it's probably a very good place to learn.
Keilder is proper advanced stuff , specially from a boat.
One more thing , July and August are probably the hardest months of the year for stillwater fly fishing , so don't get too disheartened if you are struggling , most will be this time of year. Try late on in the day or early mornings , mid day is for lunch and a snooze when it's hot on a still water fly ishery

Ray

[Stampsy525]

thamks for that Ray, ill look into buying some gold headed flys and maybe a better floating line, i think i had my leader far to short on kielder too because id say it was no longer than 4ft. im not gonna make excuses for blanking. wud goldhead montana and diawl back goldhead's be ok to use with floating line.

[oldessox]

Yes but be careful casting goldheads , they are dangerous in the bigger sizes , I broke a rod on the back cast with a gold head fritz , it hit the rod and felled the top 18" like a tree , good job it didn't hit me in the eye
Get some flourocarbon for leader , have the leader the same length as your rod and put a gold head black fritz or similar for lure fishing and golg head hares ear or nymphs for immitative , fish with one fly only on the point till you are sure of your casting then tie in a dropper about half way up the leader , if you have a gold head on the point and something like a daiwl back on the dropper you are fishing two different depths at the same time , I don't think I've ever seen a gold head daiwl bach , but regular ones are good fish takers at times , you should also try buzzers , they don't look much more than a bare hook , but cast one out in a breeze and let it drift across the wind with very little or no retrieve and they too can be deadly
Use 6lb or 8lb leader and tie the fly direct to the end , when you are confident you are fishing (casting) well enough with this , try a 4lb leader for better presentation with buzzers and nymphs etc , stick to 8lb for pulling lures. Try pulling them fast and try pulling them slow and everywhere in between , and get some gink and some muddler minnows , gink them up and pull them fast across the surface on a ten foot leader when there is a bit of a ripple on the water
Enjoy your fishing and don't worry , you will soon be catching trout

Ray

[jimmy]

thamks for that Ray, ill look into buying some gold headed flys and maybe a better floating line, i think i had my leader far to short on kielder too because id say it was no longer than 4ft. im not gonna make excuses for blanking. wud goldhead montana and diawl back goldhead's be ok to use with floating line.

try to have your leader a good length mate, at the very least, the length of your rod, my leaders vary from 14th to approx 21ft, but casting with that length leader takes a bit of getting used to. Just try practising your casting on a field, gradually extending the length of your leader until you are happy.

goldhead montanas are fine, try varying colours of them, green, blue, red etc, diawl bachs are really good to fish with, you could also try various coloured bloodworm, even a zonker or 2, if you fancy stripping lures
try yellow dancers, cats whiskers. Boobies are quite good on a sinking line, but check with the fishery, as a lot do not allow them.

Hope this gives you a little help in some way, also when fishing certain fisheries, sometimes there is someone there tying flies for anglers, if you can find out what flies are catching that day, get him to knock you a couple up

[Axe]

if i am going through a drought of fish...i head to chatton and you can get 10-15 most times.

i heard so much about keilder and its size i have been put off...but by the sounds of it you did the right thing...have you tried buzzers...if its a warm day then u will get a spawn of whatever fly is around with a few rises then i generally put a dry fly on the tip and a buzzer on a dropper (bit of line 6 inches long about midway through leader) to crate a washingline effect underwater.

[bigtel]

fly

buy some quality buzzers mate for still water you wont go far wrong,
if your stuck drop nme a pm i will get you some of a guy who ties mine.
real good flies not cheap crap.

terry