Rain water and trout.

[mick dunn]

Guys does to much rainwater effect the fishing.
I can understand in the river as its swollen and runs fast.
But what about the resevoir ?.

Quick second question.

How do i fish with buzzers. For example on a long leader from my floating line. They seem to be fishing well at the moment.

Thanks Mick.

PS most of my fish have been caught on lures up to now such as Black or Orange Fritz.

[hardy man]

when i fish buzzers i use a long leader like you said with 6lb airflo sight free i just cast out and let them drift around keeping in touch with the line and watching for any movement at the end of the fly line . i personally tie all my own flies as i find that some internet and some shop bought buzzers are not quite up to scratch although im sure that you would catch fish on them.

[mick dunn]

Thanks for the info. I look forward to trying this method. Thats when the bite indicaters come in i guess.

Mick.

[Beachlover]

Thanks for the info. I look forward to trying this method. Thats when the bite indicaters come in i guess.

Mick.

Mick, you don't need bite indicators to fish with buzzers people managed perfectly well without them for years. I can't comment on whether they are any good or not because I've never used them, all I do is a slow figure of eight retrieve and wait for the tug.

Don't be put off trying to fish with buzzers just because you don't have bite indicators.

[Charlie_Thompson]

Apparently buzzers are a great way to get into flytying as well. You can tie some killer patterns very easily. I've never had any luck with them personally but I can't be fishing them right.

[oldessox]

Too much rainwater can spoil your sport on some waters Mick , it can colour the water up to a muddy brown , not ideal for fly fishing where the trout have to be able to see the fly !
Buzzers can be fished just like your lures , just slower !
I use 3 , 4, or 5lb Ashima for my leaders when I'm buzzer fishing , 3lb in crystal clear water 5lb in peaty coloured water. I tie it direct to the loop on the end of my fly line and have about ten feet to the first buzzer , then 4ft to the next one and another 2ft to the point fly.
If you are worried about casting such a long leader , shorten each section but keep the two flies at the end closer together than the top dropper fly , it helps with casting. Or you can just fish 2 buzzers or even one on the end of a ten ft leader , they all catch fish !
Cast the whole lot out and pull the line back till it's straight , then as slowly as you can bring the flies back to you and start all over again. If there's a decent breeze and the line is drifting with the wind , don't retrieve at all , just straighten everything up and keep it tight letting the wind move the flies.
Indicators will catch you loads more fish on certain days , this time of year though the fish are active and looking for food so you won't need one.
Trout tend to swim around at different depths depending on the weather and water conditions , once you find the depth they are swimming at on any given day you can use an indicator to set the flies to fish at that depth.
Fishing three buzzers on a leader effectively has you fishing at three different depths , the point fly being the deepest (if one of your buzzers is heavier or bigger than the others put it on the point)
I use 6 or 8lb leaders for lures , it dosn't matter about the thickness of the leader when pulling a lure , but a tiny buzzer needs to be fished on a finer tippet , this lets it "drift" around in the water more naturally than thicker lines do.
Have a go with buzzers Mick , but if you fail to catch don't give up on them , go back to lures for an hour or so and then switch back to buzzers , sooner or later you will coincide with a buzzer hatch and a feeding frenzie .......and you'll love it


Ray.

[YoursTruly]

Mick the most common reason for anglers giving up on buzzers is they fail to recognise a take and so think the method is not very good.
And because you are not getting takes you could be forgiven for thinking buzzers dont catch fish.
Indicators can help give you confidence (cos thats all it is ) when using buzzers, when the fish takes the buzzer it registers on the indicator and then you strike and hopefully connect with the fish.
I would suggest you try using buzzers under the strike indicator and when you get plenty of takes then this should build your confidence in that the buzzers are working, then have a few goes without the indicator and slowly ween yourself off them.
I would advise any one learning to fly fish to give the indicator a try and not be put off them by some of the comments of other anglers.
After having said that and realised someone has commented on the indicator in this thread i am in no way suggesting you should not listen to his comment as he as openly stated he does not use them.
Hope this helps.

[mick dunn]

Cheersguys.
I was down the river over the last few nights fishing for brownies. I used a dry fly floating on the top and had a couple of fish having a look and spitting it out.
Could i use buzzers on the river on a shorter leader. with a floating bite indicator?.
It would be interesting to give it a go.
The only fish caught to date are brownies on nymphs. Using a floating line with four feet leader.
Suppose it will all fall into place one of these days.

Cheer Mick.

[mark]

Cheersguys.
I was down the river over the last few nights fishing for brownies. I used a dry fly floating on the top and had a couple of fish having a look and spitting it out.
Could i use buzzers on the river on a shorter leader. with a floating bite indicator?.
It would be interesting to give it a go.
The only fish caught to date are brownies on nymphs. Using a floating line with four feet leader.
Suppose it will all fall into place one of these days.

Cheer Mick.

don't think buzzers would do much on a river. they are loosely supposed to imitate the aquatic larvae of things like midges etc, which are very much creatures of still waters.

nymph type patterns are better IMHO, as they imitate the life that scurry's around in moving water, Hare's ears, and pheasant tail nymphs seem to be the ones that do the most for me in the rivers up here, maybe a diawl bach and olive nymph from time to time, one or 2 of the emerger patterns fished sub surface can work well in the slower runs, but give the buzzers a go, you never know what might take their fancy on the day

[oldessox]

There's a technique called the NewZealand dropper Mick , you tie a short length of nylon to the bend of your dry fly hook and a nymph to the end of that , the dry fly acts as an indicator and you strike if it goes under , it will also catch any trout looking to take flies off the top. A pimp type indicator works the same way , but it looks and feels better with a dry fly instead
When a trout comes to a dry fly don't strike the instant you see it , wait a second till the rise has gone and there is no fly on the surface and then strike , sounds daft , but next time you are getting fish taking a dry and "spitting it out" try it , you'll be suprised

Ray.